Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:25     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.


How do you suggest we reference them? Mr. & Ms?


I think there are ways to use their names that don't invoke that weird sense of familiarity and it is not a hard line. But I would refer to them as mom/dad, as gerrish/chung, as John Gerrish and Ellen Chung.

But weird posts waxing about how much John loved his baby and took her to the museum or how Ellen was really struggling with her TBI are creepy AF
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:24     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.


Not really. The reason why this case is getting so much publicity is that they are so relatable to many people and the circumstances are so tragic and mysterious. I don’t know them personally but feel like I could have been friends if we lived in the same area. My family is also super outdoorsy, also biracial, also similar SES. I don’t have an Insta, but if I did, I would have had similar photos and destinations. It’s scary because it could have been my family complete with dog and (many years ago) baby in hiking carrier.


Same here.
Idk how else we can refer to them.
Every forum is using John and Ellen.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:24     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:What is the point of speculating if you're not involved with the investigation? Imagine if their family members find this thread.


You think THIS is the only thread discussing this?

A friend of mine is writing an article regarding the public's concern/inquisitiveness (for lack of a better word) regarding what happened to this family -- she said that there are an unprecedented number of discussions online about this family... only comparable to the election. She said that there are hundreds of thousands of comments and questions.

So relax... this won't be the first or only discussion thread about this, and besides, everyone here is keeping this discussion very respectful.

There's nothing here but civil discussion.


On WS I counted over 1k posts discussing water bladders. Every deet. They are utterly GP fascinated with water bladders.


Sorry... what's WS?


Websleuths
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:24     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the point of speculating if you're not involved with the investigation? Imagine if their family members find this thread.


You think THIS is the only thread discussing this?

A friend of mine is writing an article regarding the public's concern/inquisitiveness (for lack of a better word) regarding what happened to this family -- she said that there are an unprecedented number of discussions online about this family... only comparable to the election. She said that there are hundreds of thousands of comments and questions.

So relax... this won't be the first or only discussion thread about this, and besides, everyone here is keeping this discussion very respectful.

There's nothing here but civil discussion.


On WS I counted over 1k posts discussing water bladders. Every deet. They are utterly GP fascinated with water bladders.


Sorry... what's WS?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:21     Subject: What happened to this California family?
After Trump coined his Covid moniker, Asians live in a toxic environment.
Wonder if this family really did dislike this world and feared what it held for their baby?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:18     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.


Not really. The reason why this case is getting so much publicity is that they are so relatable to many people and the circumstances are so tragic and mysterious. I don’t know them personally but feel like I could have been friends if we lived in the same area. My family is also super outdoorsy, also biracial, also similar SES. I don’t have an Insta, but if I did, I would have had similar photos and destinations. It’s scary because it could have been my family complete with dog and (many years ago) baby in hiking carrier.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:08     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.


How do you suggest we reference them? Mr. & Ms?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:53     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:Are we certain the baby was alive when they went to the forest?

Well we know almost nothing about this case and we can only speculate at this point but it seems very very strange if they carried dead baby in a hiking carrier and hiked almost 8 miles in the 90F heat…


NP. It would be very strange (and awful) if they did this. but a far fetched idea is what if there was some tragic accident at home and baby died and parents got worried that they’d be implicated or get in trouble for baby’s death and/or they were so distraught about baby’s death and their own possible involvement in her death that they then came up w a suicide pact to kill the rest of them and try to make it look like heat stroke? I know this sounds totally bizarre and I don’t even think it’s that likely but it’s something I hadn’t considered before. A scenario like they were home and each parent thought the other was watching baby but neither was and she somehow got into something she shouldn’t have and ingested something that killed her? Or she accidentally suffocated somehow. It would have to be something like that for this scenario to be true—if she had fallen or otherwise gotten injured at home there would’ve been physical signs of that.

I can certainly see how distraught parents who had just lost (or even accidentally or negligently caused) their only child’s death would be so upset that they would want to kill themselves. But they wouldn’t want their families or friends to know the truth so they’d try to make it look like they all accidentally died doing something they loved to perhaps help their families process the loss?


This is what I’m saying. What if the baby drowned, got attacked by the dog, fell off the porch or God forbid was even ran over in the driveway by a parent. A one year old can be pretty busy as we know.
Yes she’d have physical signs that would be noted in autopsy. This is probably not what happened, just a thought I had.
All I’ve heard is John was having a wonderful time with her at the museum on Friday, explaining exhibits to her.
Saturday someone used John’s phone to research trails, did the family stay home all day? No one has publicly mentioned seeing them Saturday afaik.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:48     Subject: What happened to this California family?
The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:46     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:I kept an open mind until I saw Ellen at the Orgy Dome.
Now I have mixed emotions about what could have happened.


What the heck is Orgy Dome?


Yes, what is that? And where did you see this? Are you the PP who saw her pictures naked on a sand dune and parading in a leather dominatrix outfit? Where do you get these things? I looked at every one of her public Instagram photos and didn’t see anything like this.


I am not the PP who posted a sand dune or a leather dominatrix outfit but just googled and found it. Maybe the PP was talking about the tabloid The Sun with their pictures.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/3529537/brit-dead-wife-dog-california-dad-cops-investigation/amp/


People harping on this are being silly. They went to Burning man. People dress up in crazy outfits at burning man. Would I go to burning man? No, for many reasons. But I know perfectly normal people who do go, get some kooky creative energy out, smoke some weed and return peaceably to corporate life. It’s just a festival, no one would be posting pictures of her at Coachella with this type of implication.


+10000000 you guys are being pretty ghoulish about this aspect


This. It is like a THING in SF for tech bros and such to go to burning man no, so much so that some of the long time burner community whines about burning man being too corporate. The city is super quiet during that week/weekend, and people chat about burning man plans in professional work environments. I don't go, but many many normal people go. It means nothing, except it aligns with the tech guy + yoga wife + "want to get out of the city" vibe.

I have no idea what caused their death, but there is no public external evidence to support the idea that they were crazed / depressed druggies.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:44     Subject: What happened to this California family?
This is from the LA medical examiner.

Due to the thoroughness and quality of our lab testing, toxicology testing can be a lengthy process. Since 2019, 98% of our toxicology reports have been completed within 90 days.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:43     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are we certain the baby was alive when they went to the forest?

Well we know almost nothing about this case and we can only speculate at this point but it seems very very strange if they carried dead baby in a hiking carrier and hiked almost 8 miles in the 90F heat…


NP. It would be very strange (and awful) if they did this. but a far fetched idea is what if there was some tragic accident at home and baby died and parents got worried that they’d be implicated or get in trouble for baby’s death and/or they were so distraught about baby’s death and their own possible involvement in her death that they then came up w a suicide pact to kill the rest of them and try to make it look like heat stroke? I know this sounds totally bizarre and I don’t even think it’s that likely but it’s something I hadn’t considered before. A scenario like they were home and each parent thought the other was watching baby but neither was and she somehow got into something she shouldn’t have and ingested something that killed her? Or she accidentally suffocated somehow. It would have to be something like that for this scenario to be true—if she had fallen or otherwise gotten injured at home there would’ve been physical signs of that.

I can certainly see how distraught parents who had just lost (or even accidentally or negligently caused) their only child’s death would be so upset that they would want to kill themselves. But they wouldn’t want their families or friends to know the truth so they’d try to make it look like they all accidentally died doing something they loved to perhaps help their families process the loss?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:36     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are we certain the baby was alive when they went to the forest?

Well we know almost nothing about this case and we can only speculate at this point but it seems very very strange if they carried dead baby in a hiking carrier and hiked almost 8 miles in the 90F heat…


I’m not clear how far they hiked. Once, to my knowledge, it was said they hiked 8.5. Later, it seemed the sheriff backed off from this.

The entire event is very very strange, right?

I’ve seen cases where a child has drowned, died in a hot car, ran in front of a car and a parent freezes, failing to call 911, resorting to other measures.

I certainly don’t know what happened. My brain tells me ALL environmental factors including the extreme heat are off the table.

As someone posted upthread, tox’ analysis take a long time and can’t be rushed. If a drug is found, new tests must determine the amount in each person. Mandatory info for the death report as well as CDC records.
Another big thing is the lab requires a comparison sample to conduct said tests.
A Columbus, OH lab once had to get carfentanil from a zoo to use as a clean sample.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:28     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are we certain the baby was alive when they went to the forest?


What a good question. Did they not pass any passerby on the route?


A witness reported seeing the family/vehicle traveling towards the trail.

I’m trying to consider if something precipitated a very poor decision.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 11:07     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Are we certain the baby was alive when they went to the forest?

Well we know almost nothing about this case and we can only speculate at this point but it seems very very strange if they carried dead baby in a hiking carrier and hiked almost 8 miles in the 90F heat…