The ONLY question that matters is:

Will independents and voters in swing states vote for this person?

We can debate candidate policies and experience like it’s a normal election of the past but we need to prioritize winning the election. Otherwise, the batsh*t crazies remain in control.

Ossoff: "How does American politics really work? It's coin operated. Money goes in, favors come out. It's been running on secret money, corporate money, billionaire money ... all of this gave rise to a depraved president who exploits this rot to empower and enrich himself"

This guy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never ever vote for Kamala Harris. Can’t stand her

Who cares. Would she be a good president is the question. And she would.

No. She is a blowhard with no original ideas and no real values other than self promotion. She threw Biden under the bus and wrote a book instead of stepping up and doing anything. I have never heard her say anything but boring platitudes.

Fwiw I voted for her.

I don’t care if she’s boring, I don’t care if she has original ideas. I care that she isn’t the current disaster we have in the White House.

Of course she’d be better than him. My 8 year old would be too. And I’d vote for her if I had to. But we don’t need to. She lost the suckiest candidate ever. She’s done. And it’s not Biden. It’s her.

Being the VP of one of our most unpopular presidents ever is the primary reason why she lost to such a historically weak opponent in 2024 so yes, Biden very much so played a role in the 2024 outcome. Harris has no serious political career going forward and the same goes for Pence and Vance for the same reason. Their parties will be forfeiting an election if they nominated one of them.

Y’all, there’s nobody who is going to hit all the points — charismatic *and* not owned by big money *and* can play in Peoria *and* who hadn’t done some dumb stuff in the past *and* is from the right geographic region *and* who is the exact-right balance of change-maker and moderate, scruples and balls, vision and calm reassurance.

All we have to choose from are human beings. We are going to be disappointed in some way no matter who it is. That doesn’t mean they’re a bad candidate, it is simply the particular way they happen to be flawed.

To clarify…you make a fair point about Kelly’s intelligence. However, he lacks integrity in that he’s essentially a cheerleader for gun control. That’s likely related to his wife’s situation, but I can’t support someone who’d try to limit firearms rights (e.g., most Ds), just as I’d never support anyone who’d try to infringe on reproductive rights (e.g., most Rs).
As to my larger point, I stand by my assertion that no candidate from 2016 forward has been worthy of the office. They were all unfit, albeit for vastly different reasons.
I’m fairly certain that I’m not the only person on DCUM who hears from family members or friends living abroad how international respect for US political figures has significantly declined over the past decade.

^ to the

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never ever vote for Kamala Harris. Can’t stand her

Who cares. Would she be a good president is the question. And she would.

No. She is a blowhard with no original ideas and no real values other than self promotion. She threw Biden under the bus and wrote a book instead of stepping up and doing anything. I have never heard her say anything but boring platitudes.

Fwiw I voted for her.

I don’t care if she’s boring, I don’t care if she has original ideas. I care that she isn’t the current disaster we have in the White House.

Of course she’d be better than him. My 8 year old would be too. And I’d vote for her if I had to. But we don’t need to. She lost the suckiest candidate ever. She’s done. And it’s not Biden. It’s her.

Anonymous wrote:It seems likely midterms will be terrible for Republicans. They'll lose the House and probably the Senate. I think they will move quickly to the post-Trump era. They have to. And nothing good ever happens with those who choose to associate with Trump. Vance and Little Marco will go down with the ship.

Democrats should be concerned about other candidates. I think Brian Kemp and Ron DeSantis are going to run. I think MJT is going to run. Perhaps Glenn Youngkin and Tim Scott. Maybe Tucker Carlson.

None of these people are damaged by the Trump brand. 2028 is not going to be the election cakewalk that most Democrats think it's going to be. The Democratic brand remains in the gutter. It'll be a real race. Which is why getting a good candidate who can win the battleground states is so important.

Bold are both false. Let’s take a look at the candidates you listed as concerning to Dems.

Brian Kemp isn’t running. His refusal to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia has killed any chance and he knows it. Can’t find the quote, but claims he’s not interested in being a career politician and values time with his family after two terms as governor. He passed on a 2026 Senate run. Proof that he’s tapped out. Q

Ron DeSantis is term-limited and leaves office in January 2027. Is he going to miraculously transform into brains, brawn, and balls? His 2024 campaign was awful and embarrassing. Zero charisma. Just flat.

He stole $35 million in taxpayer money that funded child welfare and Floridians in significant need. Instead, he paid political consultants, lawyers and funded thousands of advertisements to brainwash voters and win elections.

He’s still fighting the courts on 5 legal issues and 1 for fun
1. Immigration
2. Alligator Alcatraz
3. Misuse of funds diverting millions of dollars to block opposing ballot initiatives
4. “Don't Say Gay” law/Disney
5. Legislative defiance
6. White rubber rain boots (anyone notice the boots on the wrong feet)

MTG history is an absolute disaster. 90% of her time in office was spent as a conspiracy theorist. She found the right moment to do a short stint revenge tour against Trump because he blocked her from pursuing a Senate seat in Georgia. Hopped on the Epstein victim bandwagon to regain relevancy. She trashed Trump for a hot minute. She resigned before he could fire her. MAGA won’t vote for a traitor.

Glenn Younkin failed to secure key legislative victories in his own state. He won in 2021, but lost the Virginia House of Delegates. He’ll be an awful arbiter at repairing relationships with our allies. This is a big effing deal! He’s a local yokel.

Tim Scott ran his 2024 campaign willy nilly. Did he know the assignment? He withdrew fairly early on.

Tucker Carlson has no political experience. He was a Fox MSM mouthpiece a second ago. Flipped on Trump just recently. He loses MAGA on the traitor platform. Plus he’s a Chad.

None of them hold a candle to the likes of Harris, Ossoff, Buttigieg, Murphy, Newsom, AOC, Pritzker, Kelly, Beshar, and more for sure…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just give all these racist misogynists the white male they need and let's be done with it. They'd rather vote for an immoral white man than any minority woman. We just need to acknowledge that's where a third of Americans are right now. Let's "meet them where they are".

I think 90 percent of Americans were scared off by DEI and its impact on jobs. The way it was implemented gave racial and gender benefits to certain groups and made it very difficult for other groups to compete for jobs. So there’s a wariness of electing a black woman for president today. The assumption being that DEI hiring will be back. It’s not fair, but Democrats really messed up during the Biden years. Which is another reason why Democrats struggle with trust even after the Trump disaster.

Turn off Fox. Do you seriously want to have to compete for jobs and everything else as a minority person or an immigrant or a trans person or a queer person? I'm sure you really don't unless you have to and there's good reason for that.

Anonymous wrote:Andy Bashear would be my choice, and then Gretchen Whitmer

no one from the coasts, no one of color, no one with AIPAC issues.

I’m from Michigan. Used to like her but her childish not to mention insulting Trump-like video antics (pre-Trump 2.0) make her a no-go.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dems are going to have to contend with either Vance or Rubio with perhaps a woman like Ana Paulina Luna or Tulsi Gabbard as VP.

Do not underestimate a Vance / Luna ticket. Southern states like GA and VA that Trump had trouble with it lost will be locks against most Dem candidates, Vance will be strong in the Rust Belt, and Luna will help with Hispanics in Nevada and Arizona.

"Going to have to contend with" isn't how I would describe that ticket. MAGA isn't going to stand in line for Vance, nor does the Republican ticket have any real shot with the Independents. 2026 and 2028 are already lost causes for the Republicans.

MAGA isn’t getting in line for a democrat either

Nobody said they were. They're just not getting in line this time.

They will get in line for one of two options.
Are you counting on them staying home?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is beshear’s offer?

My daddy was governor so I got to be one too??

Let’s make America into Kentucky?

He has zero experience in anything relevant to the matters of national import.

Isn’t this kind of how Bush got in?

Yes, but…

Texas is a lynchpin the global economy. Ky isnt.

You are dealing with a lot of matters that scale as an exec of tx, ca, ny

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just give all these racist misogynists the white male they need and let's be done with it. They'd rather vote for an immoral white man than any minority woman. We just need to acknowledge that's where a third of Americans are right now. Let's "meet them where they are".

I think 90 percent of Americans were scared off by DEI and its impact on jobs. The way it was implemented gave racial and gender benefits to certain groups and made it very difficult for other groups to compete for jobs. So there’s a wariness of electing a black woman for president today. The assumption being that DEI hiring will be back. It’s not fair, but Democrats really messed up during the Biden years. Which is another reason why Democrats struggle with trust even after the Trump disaster.

Translation: people feared for their kids losing the privilege that their race gave to their parents' generation. So give them the white male they want. America isn't ready for true equality yet.

Anonymous wrote:Just give all these racist misogynists the white male they need and let's be done with it. They'd rather vote for an immoral white man than any minority woman. We just need to acknowledge that's where a third of Americans are right now. Let's "meet them where they are".

I think 90 percent of Americans were scared off by DEI and its impact on jobs. The way it was implemented gave racial and gender benefits to certain groups and made it very difficult for other groups to compete for jobs. So there’s a wariness of electing a black woman for president today. The assumption being that DEI hiring will be back. It’s not fair, but Democrats really messed up during the Biden years. Which is another reason why Democrats struggle with trust even after the Trump disaster.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never ever vote for Kamala Harris. Can’t stand her

Who cares. Would she be a good president is the question. And she would.

No. She is a blowhard with no original ideas and no real values other than self promotion. She threw Biden under the bus and wrote a book instead of stepping up and doing anything. I have never heard her say anything but boring platitudes.

Fwiw I voted for her.

I don’t care if she’s boring, I don’t care if she has original ideas. I care that she isn’t the current disaster we have in the White House.

I think Kamala Harris has alienated almost everyone at this point. Some people associate her with Biden and that is a negative for them. And those who like Biden feel like she was disloyal and threw him under the bus.

Besides, don't we know from history that Americans are "one and done" with nominees? Obviously if you are the leader of a cult, you can overcome that but most people can't. I hope Harris moves on.

Of course I will vote for her if she is the nominee. Anyone associated with this anti-American administration, including every single cowardly Senator, will never get a vote for me ever, no matter who the opponent is.

You think? That’s your rightful opinion. Although it’s early to predict 2028, take a look. https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_c0cbe579-b306-4407-a57b-6b590288daa3.html

Polls at this point are totally meaningless.