Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
All of this is false. Diagnosis matters and good psychologists and psychiatrists know this.
A child who seems inattentive might actually be distracted by worry, struggling with impulse control, or overwhelmed by sensory and social demands. ADHD is often tied to attention and inhibition problems, anxiety more to fear and avoidance, and autism more to social communication differences, rigidity, and sensory needs.
The distinction matters because treatments are not interchangeable. For example, ADHD plans often emphasize medication plus school supports and executive-function coaching, while anxiety is usually treated with therapy that targets worry and avoidance, and autism support often focuses on communication, sensory accommodations, and skills-based services.
Literally, my very highly trained child psychologist said the diagnosis made no difference in her approach to my kid (who dealt with issues similar to what OP described). AND if OP really does want to have the kid formally assessed again then the approach is to do a limited assessment not pay $8k for it.
Literally your kid is a sample of one, you have never met OP's kid and are not qualified to decide for her that a diagnosis doesn't matter for them. Diagnosis matters for many, many kids.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anxiety, autism, and ADHD all have common symptoms. A neuropsych helps rule out one or more and figure out which are at issue.
This did not happen in our case.
^ I meant, yes, anxiety, autism and ADHD all have common symptoms, but neuropsych did not help identify which one is an issue.
I'm sure that must have been frustrating. This definitely happens. Unfortunately not all neuropsychs are the same and that is why it is important to get recommendations and know what the concerns are so you go to someone who is qualified to diagnose/rule out the issue. While we didn't use her, Dr. Donna Henderson was one of the evaluators suggested for us, and I've listened to a few interviews with her. One of the things she says is that even in the high-priced practice where she worked there were evaluators who "didn't do autism". That's insane, that they would agree to evaluate a child and simply not be qualified to assess whether or not they had a condition that affects 1 in 30 kids.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anxiety, autism, and ADHD all have common symptoms. A neuropsych helps rule out one or more and figure out which are at issue.
This did not happen in our case.
^ I meant, yes, anxiety, autism and ADHD all have common symptoms, but neuropsych did not help identify which one is an issue.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anxiety, autism, and ADHD all have common symptoms. A neuropsych helps rule out one or more and figure out which are at issue.
This did not happen in our case.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anxiety, autism, and ADHD all have common symptoms. A neuropsych helps rule out one or more and figure out which are at issue.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. She is in 3rd and this is the year she has started to hate school (but still doing well). Very social too, but definitely needs her down time.
We went to therapy and OT from 4-7yo. They mainly thought anxiety.
Agree that knowing how to parent her is a huge part of this and we’ve come a long way.
I don’t feel like (from what I read) she fits into one clear box for a diagnosis. Am I wrong? We have looked into children’s, but I also question how they would help much from meeting her for one day. Am I completely off and will they get to the bottom of this and give helpful recommendations?
A neuropsych is not some kind of roadmap or even differential diagnosis. It is a series of cognitive tests - like a super duper IQ test. It’s not going to tell you how to parent your kid or differentiate between personality vs anxiety vs subclinical autistic traits. It doesn’t even sound like you are articulating any issue or challenge.
A full neuropsych eval by a skilled psychologist absolutely includes ruling out and/or assessing differential diagnoses (including psychiatric and autism).
No it doesn’t.
Sometimes yes and sometimes no, but for most people I know it was pretty conclusive and for us it was conclusive (anxiety) and a question mark for ADHD which was yes in the end but we could at least get the anxiety under control and that helped us tease out the second part. It’s an art, not a science because every kid—even those with the same diagnosis’s—are different
You absolutely 100% do not need an all-day “neuropsych” to diagnose anxiety. How absurd.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
All of this is false. Diagnosis matters and good psychologists and psychiatrists know this.
A child who seems inattentive might actually be distracted by worry, struggling with impulse control, or overwhelmed by sensory and social demands. ADHD is often tied to attention and inhibition problems, anxiety more to fear and avoidance, and autism more to social communication differences, rigidity, and sensory needs.
The distinction matters because treatments are not interchangeable. For example, ADHD plans often emphasize medication plus school supports and executive-function coaching, while anxiety is usually treated with therapy that targets worry and avoidance, and autism support often focuses on communication, sensory accommodations, and skills-based services.
Literally, my very highly trained child psychologist said the diagnosis made no difference in her approach to my kid (who dealt with issues similar to what OP described). AND if OP really does want to have the kid formally assessed again then the approach is to do a limited assessment not pay $8k for it.
That would make me very, very wary if they meant it like you’re presenting it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We just did one, at Children's National. What I appreciated most was the one hour call with the evaluators afterwards. They went through everything in detail. In our case, they found nothing that met a diagnosis threshold. But, they had many suggestions on things to do where my kid was "slightly below average."
There is no downside in my view (other than cost if your insurance doesn't cover).If your kid doesn't meet a diagnosis threshold, they will still pinpoint things to work on and ways to help.
Just to add, they have a long wait list, 6-12 months, unless your primary care or another doc refers you for a specific concern. So, get on the list, at a minimum.
Me again. This evaluation took 6 hours (with a lunch break). Plus a one hour call with me beforehand, three sets of form filled out by both the teachers and myself. This was not a 2 hours and we're done.
How much time did they spend with you (not your DC), collecting the feedback?
We got 2 hours with a large number of quick questions and without an opportunity to delve deeper into issues that we see at home. There was an initial set of very high level forms that we were asked to fill out as well. But, that was it for our feedback.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
In our experience the people that treated our child's symptoms were not qualified to distinguish between autism, ADHD and anxiety and said so..they were the ones who referred us to get the neuropsych. The evaluator spoke with them and that was helpful but the testing was important.
As far as whether there are learning difficulties, OP said her child hates school. Persistent school distress is a signal that something needs attention, and the earlier you figure out the cause, the easier it is to help your child feel better and function better
You were referred to do the testing, and you acknowledge that it was helpful for evaluator to talk with the referring specialist. You did all the right things and evaluation was helpful.
But your case is very different from going cold turkey for the neuropsychological evaluation, having them select a random set of tests, and then expecting them to figure out issues after briefly talking to parents and observing the child for 6-8 hours.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
In our experience the people that treated our child's symptoms were not qualified to distinguish between autism, ADHD and anxiety and said so..they were the ones who referred us to get the neuropsych. The evaluator spoke with them and that was helpful but the testing was important.
As far as whether there are learning difficulties, OP said her child hates school. Persistent school distress is a signal that something needs attention, and the earlier you figure out the cause, the easier it is to help your child feel better and function better
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
All of this is false. Diagnosis matters and good psychologists and psychiatrists know this.
A child who seems inattentive might actually be distracted by worry, struggling with impulse control, or overwhelmed by sensory and social demands. ADHD is often tied to attention and inhibition problems, anxiety more to fear and avoidance, and autism more to social communication differences, rigidity, and sensory needs.
The distinction matters because treatments are not interchangeable. For example, ADHD plans often emphasize medication plus school supports and executive-function coaching, while anxiety is usually treated with therapy that targets worry and avoidance, and autism support often focuses on communication, sensory accommodations, and skills-based services.
Literally, my very highly trained child psychologist said the diagnosis made no difference in her approach to my kid (who dealt with issues similar to what OP described). AND if OP really does want to have the kid formally assessed again then the approach is to do a limited assessment not pay $8k for it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
All of this is false. Diagnosis matters and good psychologists and psychiatrists know this.
A child who seems inattentive might actually be distracted by worry, struggling with impulse control, or overwhelmed by sensory and social demands. ADHD is often tied to attention and inhibition problems, anxiety more to fear and avoidance, and autism more to social communication differences, rigidity, and sensory needs.
The distinction matters because treatments are not interchangeable. For example, ADHD plans often emphasize medication plus school supports and executive-function coaching, while anxiety is usually treated with therapy that targets worry and avoidance, and autism support often focuses on communication, sensory accommodations, and skills-based services.
Literally, my very highly trained child psychologist said the diagnosis made no difference in her approach to my kid (who dealt with issues similar to what OP described). AND if OP really does want to have the kid formally assessed again then the approach is to do a limited assessment not pay $8k for it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A neuropsych won’t get you the information you want. I would start with therapy (for you as a parent to handle difficult behaviors) and go from there.
What? OP I’d ignore this comment because it is baseless. You can spend a lot of time and money on therapy and not really get anywhere. If you don’t know what you are dealing with/have the right therapist for what you need.
Absolutely untrue. The waste of time and money is on the expensive testing that isn’t actually necessary for a diagnosis or treatment. Good therapists are absolutely able to treat without a diagnosis - and good psychologists and psychiatrists in fact are quite cognizant of the fact that the diagnostic label can be of limited value in many cases. Plus the information gained in therapy is likely much better to diagnose something like anxiety or autism than a one-day batter of cognitive tests. Many many psychiatric symptoms in kids and adults are cross-diagnostic, particularly the ones OP describes.
If OP said her kid was having learning difficulties that might be a different story but she didn’t say that.
All of this is false. Diagnosis matters and good psychologists and psychiatrists know this.
A child who seems inattentive might actually be distracted by worry, struggling with impulse control, or overwhelmed by sensory and social demands. ADHD is often tied to attention and inhibition problems, anxiety more to fear and avoidance, and autism more to social communication differences, rigidity, and sensory needs.
The distinction matters because treatments are not interchangeable. For example, ADHD plans often emphasize medication plus school supports and executive-function coaching, while anxiety is usually treated with therapy that targets worry and avoidance, and autism support often focuses on communication, sensory accommodations, and skills-based services.