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Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx

"Forty-one percent of Americans now say they sympathize more with the Palestinians in the Middle East situation, while 36% sympathize more with the Israelis."

The change over the past 24 years is sharp. Americans are finally waking up to the charade they've been told about Israel and it's alleged "democracy."

The poll questions are difficult to interpret. My sympathies lie more with Palestinians, and that's how I would have answered the question. But my sympathies because they've been wrecked by Israel's retaliation over the inexcusable Hamas attack. And Israelis are by and large safe in their daily lives. But just like the Middle East itself, my feelings are complicated.

I still feel Israel has a right to exist.
I still feel Hamas is evil.
I still feel Palestinian people are largely victims.
I still want a two-state solution.
I still disagree with Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
I still hate the authoritarian leadership of Netanyahu.

I appreciate that people have sympathy for the Palestinians but it seems clear at this point that the “two state solution” was also propaganda and there’s no actual plausible way it can ever happen. There will only ever be one state, and either the Palestinians will be part of it or it will continue to be an apartheid regime.

+1000

Israel has never wanted a two-state solution. What Israel says and does are two very different things. One state is the only solution. An ACTUAL democracy, where all people are equal. Where Jews are safe and free, but not a "Jewish state." Everything Israel accuses the Palestinians of (expelling Jews, for example) has been an action done by Israel. It is not a Netanyahu problem. It is not a Jewish problem. But it IS an Israel problem.

It is foolish to think that Israel would ever want a one state solution because that would mean Palestinians being treated as equals and having a majority in the state. The reality is they is really think of Palestinians as less than dogs and treat them accordingly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx

"Forty-one percent of Americans now say they sympathize more with the Palestinians in the Middle East situation, while 36% sympathize more with the Israelis."

The change over the past 24 years is sharp. Americans are finally waking up to the charade they've been told about Israel and it's alleged "democracy."

The poll questions are difficult to interpret. My sympathies lie more with Palestinians, and that's how I would have answered the question. But my sympathies because they've been wrecked by Israel's retaliation over the inexcusable Hamas attack. And Israelis are by and large safe in their daily lives. But just like the Middle East itself, my feelings are complicated.

I still feel Israel has a right to exist.
I still feel Hamas is evil.
I still feel Palestinian people are largely victims.
I still want a two-state solution.
I still disagree with Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
I still hate the authoritarian leadership of Netanyahu.

I appreciate that people have sympathy for the Palestinians but it seems clear at this point that the “two state solution” was also propaganda and there’s no actual plausible way it can ever happen. There will only ever be one state, and either the Palestinians will be part of it or it will continue to be an apartheid regime.

+1000

Israel has never wanted a two-state solution. What Israel says and does are two very different things. One state is the only solution. An ACTUAL democracy, where all people are equal. Where Jews are safe and free, but not a "Jewish state." Everything Israel accuses the Palestinians of (expelling Jews, for example) has been an action done by Israel. It is not a Netanyahu problem. It is not a Jewish problem. But it IS an Israel problem.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx

"Forty-one percent of Americans now say they sympathize more with the Palestinians in the Middle East situation, while 36% sympathize more with the Israelis."

The change over the past 24 years is sharp. Americans are finally waking up to the charade they've been told about Israel and it's alleged "democracy."

The poll questions are difficult to interpret. My sympathies lie more with Palestinians, and that's how I would have answered the question. But my sympathies because they've been wrecked by Israel's retaliation over the inexcusable Hamas attack. And Israelis are by and large safe in their daily lives. But just like the Middle East itself, my feelings are complicated.

I still feel Israel has a right to exist.
I still feel Hamas is evil.
I still feel Palestinian people are largely victims.
I still want a two-state solution.
I still disagree with Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
I still hate the authoritarian leadership of Netanyahu.

I appreciate that people have sympathy for the Palestinians but it seems clear at this point that the “two state solution” was also propaganda and there’s no actual plausible way it can ever happen. There will only ever be one state, and either the Palestinians will be part of it or it will continue to be an apartheid regime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx

"Forty-one percent of Americans now say they sympathize more with the Palestinians in the Middle East situation, while 36% sympathize more with the Israelis."

The change over the past 24 years is sharp. Americans are finally waking up to the charade they've been told about Israel and it's alleged "democracy."

The poll questions are difficult to interpret. My sympathies lie more with Palestinians, and that's how I would have answered the question. But my sympathies because they've been wrecked by Israel's retaliation over the inexcusable Hamas attack. And Israelis are by and large safe in their daily lives. But just like the Middle East itself, my feelings are complicated.

I still feel Israel has a right to exist.
I still feel Hamas is evil.
I still feel Palestinian people are largely victims.
I still want a two-state solution.
I still disagree with Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
I still hate the authoritarian leadership of Netanyahu.

+1 Having sympathy for Palestinians doesn’t automatically translate to advocating for the destruction of Israel.

Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx

"Forty-one percent of Americans now say they sympathize more with the Palestinians in the Middle East situation, while 36% sympathize more with the Israelis."

The change over the past 24 years is sharp. Americans are finally waking up to the charade they've been told about Israel and it's alleged "democracy."

The poll questions are difficult to interpret. My sympathies lie more with Palestinians, and that's how I would have answered the question. But my sympathies because they've been wrecked by Israel's retaliation over the inexcusable Hamas attack. And Israelis are by and large safe in their daily lives. But just like the Middle East itself, my feelings are complicated.

I still feel Israel has a right to exist.
I still feel Hamas is evil.
I still feel Palestinian people are largely victims.
I still want a two-state solution.
I still disagree with Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
I still hate the authoritarian leadership of Netanyahu.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Baby Boomers and Israel destroyed the United States according to anyone under 40.

Baby boomers built up this country financially. It was the silent generation that created and politically and financially supported Israel. Baby boomers and Gen X failed to stop the BS. The question is will Millennials be any better. So far, same old same old. No difference.

Millennials are very much not in charge yet. Boomers refuse to step aside. Things will change. The question is whether it will be in time.

Well I am my riding the line between not really a Baby Boomer but designated as such, and wish all the Mellennials well, and hope that Gen Z children DC have a world to be proud. And yes, the older BB need to step aside. The late born BB and Gen X have not reached social security retirement eligibility.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gallup had Hillary up 13 points

What are you talking about? Gallup stopped doing presidential election polling in October 2015.
https://time.com/4067019/gallup-horse-race-polling/

Good catch.

It’s true, there used to be a lot of sympathy towards Israel. But Bibi is a huge problem. My understanding is Israel doesn’t like Bibi either. I’ve started to view Bibi as another trump, hated by the people and corrupt.
Get rid of Bibi and I’ll reconsider Israel.

Anonymous wrote:Since the change is very recent and due to the Gaza mass murder, I am afraid that opinion will swing back once Gaza gets out of the news cycle and the Israeli propaganda works hard to whitewash all of it.

Pro Israeli sentiment might never reach the heights it once did, but I think it will increase again. Public opinion is entirely manipulated by (dis)information, and Palestinians and their supporters just don't have the organizational and financial clout that Israelis have in this country.

Unfortunately.

This is way deeper than Gaza. The Epstein/Israel connections and overall awareness of foreign agents like AIPAC in American politics is out of the dark. Gaza helped bring a light to Israel's danger - but it's much, much deeper. The younger generation knows this.

Anonymous wrote:Since the change is very recent and due to the Gaza mass murder, I am afraid that opinion will swing back once Gaza gets out of the news cycle and the Israeli propaganda works hard to whitewash all of it.

Pro Israeli sentiment might never reach the heights it once did, but I think it will increase again. Public opinion is entirely manipulated by (dis)information, and Palestinians and their supporters just don't have the organizational and financial clout that Israelis have in this country.

Unfortunately.

I don’t think so. I think that it’s really more about Americans feeling like Israel takes a tremendous amount of money and resources from the United States and basically just does what they want. So while many people have sympathy for Gazans many more just don’t like Israeli’s. I don’t think that being against the actions of Israel is necessarily antisemitism it definitely is giving antisemitic people like Tucker Carlson a “respectable” thing to criticize.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Baby Boomers and Israel destroyed the United States according to anyone under 40.

Baby boomers built up this country financially. It was the silent generation that created and politically and financially supported Israel. Baby boomers and Gen X failed to stop the BS. The question is will Millennials be any better. So far, same old same old. No difference.

Millennials are very much not in charge yet. Boomers refuse to step aside. Things will change. The question is whether it will be in time.

This. The Boomers are stubborn and refuse to leave their posts.

Millennials and Gen Z are especially aware of Israel's crimes and dangerous entanglement.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Baby Boomers and Israel destroyed the United States according to anyone under 40.

Baby boomers built up this country financially. It was the silent generation that created and politically and financially supported Israel. Baby boomers and Gen X failed to stop the BS. The question is will Millennials be any better. So far, same old same old. No difference.

Millennials are very much not in charge yet. Boomers refuse to step aside. Things will change. The question is whether it will be in time.

Anonymous wrote:Gallup had Hillary up 13 points

What are you talking about? Gallup stopped doing presidential election polling in October 2015.
https://time.com/4067019/gallup-horse-race-polling/

Anonymous wrote:Baby Boomers and Israel destroyed the United States according to anyone under 40.

Baby boomers built up this country financially. It was the silent generation that created and politically and financially supported Israel. Baby boomers and Gen X failed to stop the BS. The question is will Millennials be any better. So far, same old same old. No difference.

Anonymous wrote:Once Trump is out all aid for Israel ends. That includes all tech sharing.

Israel is toast.

I don’t believe that one bit. Half of Wall Street is indirectly in bed with Israel. The private equity funds finance Israel business and technology.