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Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Complete BS that performance had anything to do with federal RTO. Sorry, but they (i.e. Russ Vought) want people to quit and that's all there is to it.

+1. My office has had quantifiable performance output for years. The deal was always meet your goals and we don't care what you do. If not THEN you'd have to come back to work in person. So everyone always made sure to meet their daily goal. Well then got told to RTO anyway last year because I'm lazy? Well guess what? We're demonstrably LESS productive due to decrease in flexibility. Many people used to telework through a minor cold, now they call in sick for a few days. It adds up. And now upper management is making a mistake by becoming even more micromanaging with continuing to limit flexibility in other ways like strict core hours. Well that doesn't work when the internet at work is out. Sorry, I'm not staying late to meet my goal like I would have when teleworking. Really, a bunch of clowns there.

My first company where we had oldtimers mixed in with new people our department had rule NO ONE goes home till EVERYONE finished work. So we were very good at stuff. The old timers who could breeze through work by lunchtime would start helping the kids and elderly or people out of office with their work.

in remote those high skilled people who can get job done in two hours just go play golf or watch netflix or take a nap and do not pass on the info how to do job more productively.

You be suprised the incredible peer pressure when 299 people are working till 8pm cause one guy is slow or stupid. We gang up one by one on the slow people and start coaching them, giving them tips, writing tips for them, showing them how to get it done. Today in remote that does not happend. And we were all off the clock so I am working late for free.

We used to say what do you call a guy with two black eyes? Someone who does not listen the first time. Last nights eposide of Scrubs kinda went over this. There is no tough boss yelling at you, working long hours so people learn very slow.

Mike Tyson said we all have plans till we are punched in the face. These kids need that punch. And their bosses napping on their couch in Bethesda at 3 pm instead of working and training them is hurting the next generations.

Burger King rolled out AI recently and the software they developed is called Patty.

They gave update at their NYSE earnings call this week.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Complete BS that performance had anything to do with federal RTO. Sorry, but they (i.e. Russ Vought) want people to quit and that's all there is to it.

+1. My office has had quantifiable performance output for years. The deal was always meet your goals and we don't care what you do. If not THEN you'd have to come back to work in person. So everyone always made sure to meet their daily goal. Well then got told to RTO anyway last year because I'm lazy? Well guess what? We're demonstrably LESS productive due to decrease in flexibility. Many people used to telework through a minor cold, now they call in sick for a few days. It adds up. And now upper management is making a mistake by becoming even more micromanaging with continuing to limit flexibility in other ways like strict core hours. Well that doesn't work when the internet at work is out. Sorry, I'm not staying late to meet my goal like I would have when teleworking. Really, a bunch of clowns there.

Well said. And I point it out when workload is high.

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Anonymous wrote:You can collaborate and invent new ideas without being in the same physical space with folks.

Not as effectively. I require my team to come in 3 days a week and we are the most productive team - small efficient and utilize AI. None of us are replaceable. I did get layoff one guy who didn’t come in because his productivity severely lacked compared to others.

You sound like a poor manager.

Well, I lead the most productive group in the company and get very high management scores on our corporate anonymous survey - so of course, I’ll take a stranger’s word that I’m a bad manager on an anonymous forum. Makes perfect sense!

LOL. That sounds like someone my idiot boss would say.

Anonymous wrote:If AI is taking all our jobs, there will be no one to buy all the goods being produced and the economy will collapse.

We've had the technology for machines to build houses for many years. I still see constructions sites filled with human workers.

The only people who think AI are going to take all the jobs are the people CREATING the AI products and trying to sell them.

Don’t forget the stockholders, many of whom are on DCUM starting AI fangirl threads.

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Anonymous wrote:You can collaborate and invent new ideas without being in the same physical space with folks.

Not as effectively. I require my team to come in 3 days a week and we are the most productive team - small efficient and utilize AI. None of us are replaceable. I did get layoff one guy who didn’t come in because his productivity severely lacked compared to others.

You sound like a poor manager.

Well, I lead the most productive group in the company and get very high management scores on our corporate anonymous survey - so of course, I’ll take a stranger’s word that I’m a bad manager on an anonymous forum. Makes perfect sense!

Anonymous wrote:Agree, stealth layoff bs. Companies are never worried about meaningful collaboration when they outsource to India or use AI.

yep. And the current crop of layoffs due to AI is just "AI washing", where the corporate execs are using AI as an excuse to downsize due to other factors and pretend their company is a leader in AI use.

It's just corporate power. RTO doesn't need to be rational or make sense. It's a very weak job market for most white collar jobs so employers can demand wherever they want. This is what the people voted for (DOGE etc which rippled into private sector employers especially in DC).

Anonymous wrote:I went to Wendy’s today to get my 5 year old girl a frosty, and when I pulled up to the drive thru , I was shocked to hear AI asking for my order.. when did this happen? This is scary..

This was actually piloted quite some time ago. It works well when people order off the menu but tends to screw up when people go off menu or want to modify the items.

I went to Wendy’s today to get my 5 year old girl a frosty, and when I pulled up to the drive thru , I was shocked to hear AI asking for my order.. when did this happen? This is scary..

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Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Complete BS that performance had anything to do with federal RTO. Sorry, but they (i.e. Russ Vought) want people to quit and that's all there is to it.

+1. My office has had quantifiable performance output for years. The deal was always meet your goals and we don't care what you do. If not THEN you'd have to come back to work in person. So everyone always made sure to meet their daily goal. Well then got told to RTO anyway last year because I'm lazy? Well guess what? We're demonstrably LESS productive due to decrease in flexibility. Many people used to telework through a minor cold, now they call in sick for a few days. It adds up. And now upper management is making a mistake by becoming even more micromanaging with continuing to limit flexibility in other ways like strict core hours. Well that doesn't work when the internet at work is out. Sorry, I'm not staying late to meet my goal like I would have when teleworking. Really, a bunch of clowns there.

Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

This is total BS. We have a job to do and we need to do it. You can tell if work is not getting done regardless of where the employee is. RTO is just changing location. There is no further monitoring or even collaboration than before.

If they didn't think that f2f interactions with butts in proximity mattered then AI could replace you asap. So think on that. You could have lots of balance with no job.

Anonymous wrote:If AI is taking all our jobs, there will be no one to buy all the goods being produced and the economy will collapse.

We've had the technology for machines to build houses for many years. I still see constructions sites filled with human workers.

The only people who think AI are going to take all the jobs are the people CREATING the AI products and trying to sell them.

Actually, the universe of people who think this is coming is a lot bigger than just people creating the AI products.

A YouGov poll that just came out this week finds 77% believe AI is a threat to humanity. 63% say it will hurt the economy and eliminate jobs.

https://www.ibtimes.com/polls-reveal-what-americans-really-think-rapid-ai-boom-3797840

So maybe try not to be a dumbass dipshit with claims like the one you made. The anxiety is real and widespread. It's not just people making the tools.

Is that 7-7 job the norm? What industry?