FWIW, immigrants typically pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits (including illegal immigrants) and so, actually help us reduce our debt. Deporting them will be net harmful to our economy, GDP, and actually causes harm to our ability to be fiscally responsible

Just saying....

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I’m asking. What will make you happy that doesn’t involve the pain of others?

Honestly. Not miserable at all. Worked alongside my liberal boss this morning, had a nice lunch together and enjoyed the beautiful weather. Not sure 🤔 where you’re getting all this hate and division. For what it’s worth I’m in a small town mixed red and blue area and we all get along pretty well.

MAGA and QANON were against the international elite pedo ring when they were hoping to bring down Democrats, but now they're fully supporting the international elite pedo ring since it appears the main perps include Trump and his circle.

I really don't think you need to look beyond that symbol of their moral depravity and relativism.

They would rather abdicate all virtuous principles and suffer economic loss if it means their perceived opponents suffer more than they do. That's what they truly want. Nihilism.

Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Be careful what you wish for. You most likely would be a serf. Your children world beg for scraps instead of going to school. Your DH might get an arm severed at worried on the job.

Read some goddammed history about life in the gilded age.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

But I'll bet you're all about being a good little "Christian," while steadfastly refusing to consider those less fortunate than you.

p.s. WWJD!

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

But I'll bet you're all about being a good little "Christian," while steadfastly refusing to consider those less fortunate than you.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Dear MAGA dumb-f**k, here's a pro-tip: a rising tide lifts all boats.

No, it's a zero-sum system. Ds take from those who have, to give to those who don't have, often without rhyme or reason apart from a fundamentally Communist notion that nobody should have any more than anyone else, without regard to merit, effort, or initiative.

Money taken from those who have it sinks them; it doesn't cause them to rise along with those standing there with their hands out.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

What are your feelings on racism and pedophilia.....just curious.

PP has a serious point, but you can’t answer it with any substance so you come back with the irrelevant name calling, pathetic as usual.

BTW, why don’t you ask Bill Clinton, what was it 17 White House Epstein visits ? What was going on there.

Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

Help for the poor is more of an American tradition than you think. The first compulsory education and public schools were in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Bellevue officially became a public hospital in the early 1800s, but had been used for quarantine and medical education purposes before that. The English Poor Laws were brought to the US by colonists.

Please student some history is both recent past and earlier past.

Based on US Census Data (CATO Institute) https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023#immigrant-public-revenues-expenditures

Every year from 1994 to 2023, immigrants have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits.
Immigrants generated nearly $10.6 trillion more in federal, state, and local taxes than they induced in total government spending.
Accounting for savings on interest payments on the national debt, immigrants saved $14.5 trillion in debt over this 30-year period.
Immigrants cut US budget deficits by about a third from 1994 to 2023, and fiscal savings grew to $878 billion in 2023 (Figure 1).
Noncitizens accounted for $6.3 trillion of the $14.5 trillion debt savings.
College graduate immigrants accounted for $11.7 trillion in savings, while non–college graduates accounted for $2.8 trillion.
The cohort of immigrants entering from 1990 to 1993, just before data collection began in 1994, was fiscally positive $1.7 trillion, and was still positive after 30 years in 2022–2023 (Table 1).
Even including the second generation (see Box 1 for definitions), who are mostly still children who will become taxpayers soon, the fiscal effect of immigration was positive every year.
Immigrants in all categories of educational attainment, including high school dropouts, lowered the ratio of deficit to gross domestic product (GDP) during the 30-year period.
Without the contributions of immigrants, public debt at all levels would already be above 200 percent of US GDP—nearly twice the 2023 level and a threshold some analysts believe would trigger a debt crisis.

Anonymous wrote:Name something that doesn’t involve bringing others down. We know it makes you happy to “own the libs”, love Trump tearing down the east wing, and laugh at brown people being hunted in the street. I’m not asking about gloating. What is good in your personal life as a result of this regime? Has your grocery store lowered its prices? Did you finally get that promotion a DEI had stolen from you? Are you making so much money now that your wife can quit her job and stay home where she belongs pumping out babies? Is your child no longer gay? Are you paying less for health insurance? How has your life improved?

Absolutely nothing will make them happy except they really seem to enjoy the cruelty to others by this administration and ICE. They really seem to get off on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Lower taxes, better regulated borders, disincentives for the able-bodied who choose not to work or who choose to be under-employed, social services limited to those whose situations are not of their own making, allocation of government benefits without regard to recipient immutable characteristics like race, gender, or ethnicity; national right-to-work legislation, and a greatly simplified tax code which neither incentivizes nor punishes personal or corporate behavior favored or disfavored by the government to achieve political objectives.

There are a number of items here that most Americans would agree with. But apart from better control of the southern border, Trump and the GOP is not addressing any of these items or even trying to. And surely progress on any would require compromise, no? So why the constant vilification of the Democratic Party?

Because Democrats used to be the party of the US worker but they have abandoned them.

we want are party back from the globalists

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

What are your feelings on racism and pedophilia.....just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

So you’d be happy if you could step over dying poor people begging for mercy at the hospital door while on your way to get your TrumpOzwmpic?

DP. That's not how it works. There should be and have in place welfare programs that should go to people in need. Its the determination of who is using that or who should, that has become a problem with uncontrolled immigration. For instance, I know of people who emigrated from another country in late years who used family immigration loopholes like procuring Greencards then going to claim welfare from medicaid, medicare, food stamps, etc. These are not poor people, they could be living in their own country, but chose to come here using the loopholes and then sucking from the systems. They feel very smart about it. There are illegals using such things too. This is where people have a problem.

So your problem is not with illegal immigrants as much as anyone exploiting existing LEGAL loopholes? Do you have the same sort of ire for billionaires and their corporations paying little to nothing in taxes by exploiting tax loopholes? Then why do we not hear a damn thing about taxing the rich, or making sure that large corporations pay their fair share from folks like you, who instead focus on poor people trying to get by with their minimum wage (or lesser) jobs that no one in this country even wants to do?

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

So you’d be happy if you could step over dying poor people begging for mercy at the hospital door while on your way to get your TrumpOzwmpic?

DP. That's not how it works. There should be and have in place welfare programs that should go to people in need. Its the determination of who is using that or who should, that has become a problem with uncontrolled immigration. For instance, I know of people who emigrated from another country in late years who used family immigration loopholes like procuring Greencards then going to claim welfare from medicaid, medicare, food stamps, etc. These are not poor people, they could be living in their own country, but chose to come here using the loopholes and then sucking from the systems. They feel very smart about it. There are illegals using such things too. This is where people have a problem.

This is not how any of these systems work. This scenario is entirely imagined in your sick feeble mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Voter ID, strong borders and deportation of border crashers. Immigration completely controlled by who will contribute and not drain resources.

I'm open to uncontrolled borders if all social spending is eliminated in the constitution. When the borders were open in the distant past people sank or swam with zero income redistribution, free hospital services or school. Charity was 100 percent private.

How and why will this make you happy?

They essentially have the mental and emotional capacity of a toddler not wanting to share and being preoccupied with ensuring no one else gets more than them. Social spending is of course fine when it benefits them, I'm sure. I'm sure PP enjoys public roads, bridges, and buildings, a publicly funded electrical grid, publicly funded schools, publicly funded medical research. I'm sure PP has benefited throughout their life from the help and generosity of others despite being smugly convinced they have sank or swim entirely on their own efforts. And PP deludedly believes they could survive in a world without any of the benefits of modern society, community, and cooperation that made this country the country I imagine PP would say they love.