Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming it's for charter schools, as DCPS will not take a new student into immersion program after 1st grade.
And yet, we put kids with zero English knowledge into schools all the time with a small amount of ESOL support and just hope for the best.
Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming it's for charter schools, as DCPS will not take a new student into immersion program after 1st grade.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
I find this negative take really interesting. Kids in Europe and other places learn second and third languages in higher grades. I think it is a lot of work to achieve fluency, but not a horrible idea. Especially for a bright kid that wants to learn.
When they teach languages to children in Europe they do not use the immersion model. They teach it as a foreign language. Kids have greater ability to learn languages but not the same way a 3 year old can learn them. They teach grammar, vocabulary etc using word lists etc. the immersion model assumes your brain will be able to retain this information naturally. This really isn’t the case. At best your child will speak very very poorly and be deprived of some serious learning which takes place in 2nd grade.
The DC schools aren't 100% immersion at that level though, right? At most it's 50/50.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
My kid started immersion in 2nd grade. His mom and I both speak fluent Spanish. By spring, he was speaking Spanish to people in Mexico. Yes, it was tough. He got annoyed that we spoke mostly Spanish to him for a couple of years. But - by middle school, he like it when people struck up conversations with him in Ecuador to say how cool it was that we, as a non-native speaking family were speaking Spanish to one another and doing group tours and stuff in Spanish. And by college, he worked entirely in and took classes in Spanish and had a professor ask what Spanish speaking country he grew up in.
This is not the same scenario. OP and her household are not fluent in spanish. Even your household, which is fluent in spanish, said it was tough and you got pushback from your kid with the spanish for years.
Also, I’m sure school was tough too in elementary because he didn’t know spanish and likely didn’t do as well as he could.
This is all from parents who are fluent. Now imagine a household who is not fluent or with limited spanish who cannot just speak spanish 100% at home.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
I find this negative take really interesting. Kids in Europe and other places learn second and third languages in higher grades. I think it is a lot of work to achieve fluency, but not a horrible idea. Especially for a bright kid that wants to learn.
When they teach languages to children in Europe they do not use the immersion model. They teach it as a foreign language. Kids have greater ability to learn languages but not the same way a 3 year old can learn them. They teach grammar, vocabulary etc using word lists etc. the immersion model assumes your brain will be able to retain this information naturally. This really isn’t the case. At best your child will speak very very poorly and be deprived of some serious learning which takes place in 2nd grade.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
My kid started immersion in 2nd grade. His mom and I both speak fluent Spanish. By spring, he was speaking Spanish to people in Mexico. Yes, it was tough. He got annoyed that we spoke mostly Spanish to him for a couple of years. But - by middle school, he like it when people struck up conversations with him in Ecuador to say how cool it was that we, as a non-native speaking family were speaking Spanish to one another and doing group tours and stuff in Spanish. And by college, he worked entirely in and took classes in Spanish and had a professor ask what Spanish speaking country he grew up in.
Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In my experience as a spanish tutor this is an incredibly poor decision. I truly believe 1st grade is too late, and second and above is borderline child abuse. I have never seen a child thrive in this situation. Sure sometimes they can muddle through- but is that what you want your kid to think about themselves? Do you want to spend many thousands on enrichment, tutoring, etc? I have yet to see a summer camp in this area that does a good job teaching spanish. They are essentially Spanish exposure. Changing all your screens to English works on toddlers, not on kids who can read and know how to switch them back. You’re going to teach your kid to look at the pictures and tune out the voices. Please don’t do this. If you go ahead and do it (and again, your kid will resent you) please set them up with a one on one tutor and in person group lessons.
I find this negative take really interesting. Kids in Europe and other places learn second and third languages in higher grades. I think it is a lot of work to achieve fluency, but not a horrible idea. Especially for a bright kid that wants to learn.
Anonymous wrote:Great idea. Spanish is not a hard language.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any immersion schools that will take a newbie in 2nd grade? Our immersion charter doesn't accept new kids after prek4.
I'm pretty sure Mundo Verde takes kids at any grade.
I previously had a DC there in first grade, who had a classmate transfer in. He described that student really struggling - though I have no insight into how prepared or not the student was before school started.
My immersion elementary school kid comes home with work written entirely in Spanish. I don't know how someone who doesn't speak could keep up.
Anonymous wrote:Please spare me the “my mother came here as a third grader and speaks fluent English”. Yes in that situation you have no choice but to speak English. You have no choice but to learn if you want to participate in society. Spanish immersion only works if your kid truly thinks no one else will understand him or her. They all know people around them speak English. You’re asking too much of your child. And this is unnecessary.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any immersion schools that will take a newbie in 2nd grade? Our immersion charter doesn't accept new kids after prek4.
I'm pretty sure Mundo Verde takes kids at any grade.
I previously had a DC there in first grade, who had a classmate transfer in. He described that student really struggling - though I have no insight into how prepared or not the student was before school started.