Anonymous wrote:Do you agree-
T10 ivy differs from T10 non-ivy in their brand style, but not in their brand quality?

I can tell you none of ivies have ED2.

Many T10 non-ivy have ED2, Chicago has ED0 and WL admits on top of that.

Hopefully you can see the difference in brand quality immediately.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.

And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.

If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.

You do realize there are a lot of rankings that don't have these schools in the "Top 20", right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.

And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.

If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.

lol someone's feeling got hurt.

Wharton academics?? What??!

To OP - I hate to be rude but you are a dimwit to ask such an inane and pointless question. Who cares? If you are simply trying to pass time, pick up a book. You may actually learn something

Anonymous wrote:US News 2026 Top Ten National Universities are:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
4) Stanford
4) Yale

6) U Chicago
7) Northwestern
7) Duke
7) U Penn
7) JHU

CalTech is #11.
Cornell is #12.
Brown & Dartmouth are tied at #13.
Not sure that Columbia is still in business.

Top Ten Ivy League schools are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & U Penn.

Top Ten non-Ivy League schools are MIT, Stanford, U Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, & Johns Hopkins (JHU).

With respect to BRAND, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, MIT, & Stanford are the most highly regarded.

Regarding quality of education, all of the Top Ten universities, whether in the Ivy League or not, are outstanding. Add in Caltech & Cornell.

Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia are in a lower class regarding prestige, but all offer great academics.

Honestly, Cornell should rank higher than Penn.

US News 2026 Top Ten National Universities are:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
4) Stanford
4) Yale

6) U Chicago
7) Northwestern
7) Duke
7) U Penn
7) JHU

CalTech is #11.
Cornell is #12.
Brown & Dartmouth are tied at #13.
Not sure that Columbia is still in business.

Top Ten Ivy League schools are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & U Penn.

Top Ten non-Ivy League schools are MIT, Stanford, U Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, & Johns Hopkins (JHU).

With respect to BRAND, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, MIT, & Stanford are the most highly regarded.

Regarding quality of education, all of the Top Ten universities, whether in the Ivy League or not, are outstanding. Add in Caltech & Cornell.

Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia are in a lower class regarding prestige, but all offer great academics.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?

This is obviously an immigrant parent.

And their kids didn't get in ivies. Sad.

How could you have ivy status if the school does not recognize legacy?
Tech immigrant parents never would understand this. Ivy is not IIT.
Legacy is essential for maintaining the ivy network, plus donor and athletes.
If their kids go to MIT or JHU, good for them, but those never will have the same brand quality as Dartmouth. Period!

LOL ! You have to be kidding. MIT is far superior to Dartmouth & JHU students are perceived as more serious than are the very social students at Club Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:These types of posts are so old and tiresome.

Pot...meet kettle.

These types of posts are so old and tiresome.

Anonymous wrote:Employers are not impressed with degrees from top 20 schools as they once were. It's the individual that stands out now.

A degree from a T20 school is what tips the scale in favor of an impressive candidate. It's similar to being legacy applicant to a top school...just one more boost.

Anonymous wrote:The only brands that matter in American higher education are Harvard, Yale and Princeton.

No one really gives a shit about any of the others, and their names don’t carry well beyond the regions in which they are located.

And thanks to decades of failed social engineering experiments, even the HYP brands are now compromised and rapidly losing whatever value they once had.

Go to a school where you will be happy and do well. Don’t worry about the folks hold of a “brand”- it matters far less than you think.

I agree that brand recognition is less important than it used to be, and I also agree with the idea of “go to a school where you will be happy and do well.”

The problem is that there are still fields that hire only a handful of graduates from brand-name schools. As long as those fields exist, the pursuit of brand-name schools will continue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?

This is obviously an immigrant parent.

And their kids didn't get in ivies. Sad.

How could you have ivy status if the school does not recognize legacy?
Tech immigrant parents never would understand this. Ivy is not IIT.
Legacy is essential for maintaining the ivy network, plus donor and athletes.
If their kids go to MIT or JHU, good for them, but those never will have the same brand quality as Dartmouth. Period!

Anonymous wrote:The only brands that matter in American higher education are Harvard, Yale and Princeton.

No one really gives a shit about any of the others, and their names don’t carry well beyond the regions in which they are located.

And thanks to decades of failed social engineering experiments, even the HYP brands are now compromised and rapidly losing whatever value they once had.

Go to a school where you will be happy and do well. Don’t worry about the folks hold of a “brand”- it matters far less than you think.

Yale? I’d argue MIT way before Yale. Yale does hardly anything of importance, beyond spitting out conservative justices that hardly anyone overseas can name.

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?

This is obviously an immigrant parent.