Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This past year (class of 2025): my son applied for systems engineering. 4.0 UW, 1510 SAT (790 math), 11 AP/3 DE (all math DE). Played a sport (club and at HS), had some school club leadership, a local nonprofit sports org internship, volunteer SAT tutor, job. Nothing crazy but solid ECs.
He was deferred EA and admitted RD.
Chose to go elsewhere (T20 private, not for engineering), but it was between there and UMich. Great school!

Michigan doesn’t offer an undergraduate degree in systems engineering.

I'm guessing the OP meant Industrial Engineering.

Anonymous wrote:This past year (class of 2025): my son applied for systems engineering. 4.0 UW, 1510 SAT (790 math), 11 AP/3 DE (all math DE). Played a sport (club and at HS), had some school club leadership, a local nonprofit sports org internship, volunteer SAT tutor, job. Nothing crazy but solid ECs.
He was deferred EA and admitted RD.
Chose to go elsewhere (T20 private, not for engineering), but it was between there and UMich. Great school!

Michigan doesn’t offer an undergraduate degree in systems engineering.

This past year (class of 2025): my son applied for systems engineering. 4.0 UW, 1510 SAT (790 math), 11 AP/3 DE (all math DE). Played a sport (club and at HS), had some school club leadership, a local nonprofit sports org internship, volunteer SAT tutor, job. Nothing crazy but solid ECs.
He was deferred EA and admitted RD.
Chose to go elsewhere (T20 private, not for engineering), but it was between there and UMich. Great school!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U. Mich has an excellent engineering program, but I am baffled about why one would apply to an expensive OOS university for an undergrad engineering degree.

UMCP and VT have excellent engineering programs. UMBC, UVA, and several other VA publics also have very solid engineering programs.

And yes, I am an engineer, so I know that virtually all engineering programs are similarly rigorous, thanks to ABET. I also know that engineering "rankings" do not correlate with on the job knowledge or effectiveness.

Not all engineers share the same opinion. Some of the better companies recruit from the better schools. The better programs open more doors. I say this as a parent with students at different engineering programs. The on campus recruiting from the higher ranking school was better than the lower ranking school.

Yep.. this poster is way off.

Anonymous wrote:U. Mich has an excellent engineering program, but I am baffled about why one would apply to an expensive OOS university for an undergrad engineering degree.

UMCP and VT have excellent engineering programs. UMBC, UVA, and several other VA publics also have very solid engineering programs.

And yes, I am an engineer, so I know that virtually all engineering programs are similarly rigorous, thanks to ABET. I also know that engineering "rankings" do not correlate with on the job knowledge or effectiveness.

Well from my experience you are very much wrong. Michigan is a Top Engineering Public along with Georgia Tech and Berkely and their graduates are highly coveted. You can continue to go up the list. I would take an engineering grad from one of these schools mentioned any day of the week. First, I know they are some of the brightest because you are not getting into these schools unless you are. I also find their graduates are extremely well educated and trained. So please stop.

Anonymous wrote:U. Mich has an excellent engineering program, but I am baffled about why one would apply to an expensive OOS university for an undergrad engineering degree.

UMCP and VT have excellent engineering programs. UMBC, UVA, and several other VA publics also have very solid engineering programs.

And yes, I am an engineer, so I know that virtually all engineering programs are similarly rigorous, thanks to ABET. I also know that engineering "rankings" do not correlate with on the job knowledge or effectiveness.

Not all engineers share the same opinion. Some of the better companies recruit from the better schools. The better programs open more doors. I say this as a parent with students at different engineering programs. The on campus recruiting from the higher ranking school was better than the lower ranking school.

Anonymous wrote:U. Mich has an excellent engineering program, but I am baffled about why one would apply to an expensive OOS university for an undergrad engineering degree.

UMCP and VT have excellent engineering programs. UMBC, UVA, and several other VA publics also have very solid engineering programs.

And yes, I am an engineer, so I know that virtually all engineering programs are similarly rigorous, thanks to ABET. I also know that engineering "rankings" do not correlate with on the job knowledge or effectiveness.

I am the PP who lives in Michigan now. I used to live in MoCo. From what I read on DCUM, there is excess demand for places at UMCP among the elite publics in MoCo. So some well-qualified kids aren't guaranteed to get in. Same applies for NoVa and UVA and VT. Plus some kids do want to outside their area for college.

Same applies in Michigan for kids right in Ann Arbor. Private school in Ann Arbor counselor says minimum of 1500 SAT needed to get into the Engineering College under EA. Kid I know who is a local NMF wanted to go to Michigan. He applied to 15 (!) top Engineering programs. I don't know where he got in but he did end up at Michigan.