Anonymous
08/21/2025 13:59
Subject: How do people get upper level/exec jobs they are not qualified for?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of the qualities that are valued and necessary for senior leadership roles are different than the technical skills needed for mid-level roles.
Plenty of people share I’m not qualified for my job but what they don’t understand is I can lead a team, make decisions and present to senior leaders.
There are plenty of employees who think they know more than I do, but you couldn’t have them put a presentation together and present at a board meeting. Or they can’t lead a team meeting and be effective.
Also lost jobs are BS and no one really knows what they are doing especially the employees who think they are doing something important.
I love how “making decisions” is a skill. I’m a technical IC, I make great presentations for my executive to present, and I am capable of speaking in front of audience as I’ve given several technical presentations to leadership.
But I’m not promoted because I’m not “executive presence” according to my VP, which I assume is code for superficial appearance factors and that I grew up dirt poor so have no connections to leverage for bringing in work.
It might be and it might not be. First of all, if connections to leverage for bringing in work is key to your business, then that's an important part of the job. It's unlikely that the people doing that are only using childhood friends. Second of all, if "superficial appearance factors" are holding you back, figure out what the low-hanging fruit is and fix it, if you care enough. You may think it's superficial but it sounds like your employer doesn't.
Or if you don't like the rules for how this works, go get prestige outside your organization. Speak externally. Network. Maybe someone outside your organization will see your value in a way that your organization doesn't.
Exactly, get leg lengthening surgery or skin color bleaching so you look the part.
Pay attention to the clothes and shoes that senior leaders at your organization wear and dress more like them. If you have skin issues, go to the dermatologist. Get a good haircut. Or don't listen to anyone's advice and keep seething about not getting promoted.
Anonymous
08/21/2025 13:56
Subject: How do people get upper level/exec jobs they are not qualified for?
I sit on interview panels. Every so often we get a candidate who is AMAZING. They completely blow us out of the water with their confidence, knowledge and they say exactly what they want (like if we're hiring someone, to fix X, they tell us exactly how they'll fix X). I'm actually one of the SMEs who is supposed to sus these things out and everything they say is accurate.
And then we hire them and they're the biggest duds who have zero clue what they're doing.
I'm convinced these people are sociopaths. They manipulate your emotions and say what you want to hear.
And then we hire them and they're the biggest duds who have zero clue what they're doing.
I'm convinced these people are sociopaths. They manipulate your emotions and say what you want to hear.
Anonymous
08/21/2025 13:33
Subject: How do people get upper level/exec jobs they are not qualified for?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of the qualities that are valued and necessary for senior leadership roles are different than the technical skills needed for mid-level roles.
Plenty of people share I’m not qualified for my job but what they don’t understand is I can lead a team, make decisions and present to senior leaders.
There are plenty of employees who think they know more than I do, but you couldn’t have them put a presentation together and present at a board meeting. Or they can’t lead a team meeting and be effective.
Also lost jobs are BS and no one really knows what they are doing especially the employees who think they are doing something important.
I love how “making decisions” is a skill. I’m a technical IC, I make great presentations for my executive to present, and I am capable of speaking in front of audience as I’ve given several technical presentations to leadership.
But I’m not promoted because I’m not “executive presence” according to my VP, which I assume is code for superficial appearance factors and that I grew up dirt poor so have no connections to leverage for bringing in work.
I’ve worked with people who want to discuss every little thing and get consensus before making any moves. They refuse to survey the information available and make the best call possible in the moment. It’s a good way to completely shut down productivity, so I would argue that making decisions and taking responsibility for the results is absolutely a skill.
You must be lawyers. I’m in engineering and we don’t have that problem among ICs. I think any field with quantitative nature understands how to break down decision points and arrive at the locally optimized choice.
Anonymous
08/21/2025 13:31
Subject: How do people get upper level/exec jobs they are not qualified for?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of the qualities that are valued and necessary for senior leadership roles are different than the technical skills needed for mid-level roles.
Plenty of people share I’m not qualified for my job but what they don’t understand is I can lead a team, make decisions and present to senior leaders.
There are plenty of employees who think they know more than I do, but you couldn’t have them put a presentation together and present at a board meeting. Or they can’t lead a team meeting and be effective.
Also lost jobs are BS and no one really knows what they are doing especially the employees who think they are doing something important.
I love how “making decisions” is a skill. I’m a technical IC, I make great presentations for my executive to present, and I am capable of speaking in front of audience as I’ve given several technical presentations to leadership.
But I’m not promoted because I’m not “executive presence” according to my VP, which I assume is code for superficial appearance factors and that I grew up dirt poor so have no connections to leverage for bringing in work.
It might be and it might not be. First of all, if connections to leverage for bringing in work is key to your business, then that's an important part of the job. It's unlikely that the people doing that are only using childhood friends. Second of all, if "superficial appearance factors" are holding you back, figure out what the low-hanging fruit is and fix it, if you care enough. You may think it's superficial but it sounds like your employer doesn't.
Or if you don't like the rules for how this works, go get prestige outside your organization. Speak externally. Network. Maybe someone outside your organization will see your value in a way that your organization doesn't.
Exactly, get leg lengthening surgery or skin color bleaching so you look the part.
Anonymous
08/21/2025 13:24
Subject: How do people get upper level/exec jobs they are not qualified for?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of the qualities that are valued and necessary for senior leadership roles are different than the technical skills needed for mid-level roles.
Plenty of people share I’m not qualified for my job but what they don’t understand is I can lead a team, make decisions and present to senior leaders.
There are plenty of employees who think they know more than I do, but you couldn’t have them put a presentation together and present at a board meeting. Or they can’t lead a team meeting and be effective.
Also lost jobs are BS and no one really knows what they are doing especially the employees who think they are doing something important.
I love how “making decisions” is a skill. I’m a technical IC, I make great presentations for my executive to present, and I am capable of speaking in front of audience as I’ve given several technical presentations to leadership.
But I’m not promoted because I’m not “executive presence” according to my VP, which I assume is code for superficial appearance factors and that I grew up dirt poor so have no connections to leverage for bringing in work.
I’ve worked with people who want to discuss every little thing and get consensus before making any moves. They refuse to survey the information available and make the best call possible in the moment. It’s a good way to completely shut down productivity, so I would argue that making decisions and taking responsibility for the results is absolutely a skill.
THIS. My staff will have 12 meetings across the division and the general counsel's office before coming to a list of potential recommendations/options. Sometimes, you just need someone to make a decision in order to make progress and move forward toward the ultimate goal. If you can make decisions and move toward the goal without upsetting delicate feelings, you're even more valuable.