Anonymous wrote:I also know doctors who had Bs and Cs.

Yes so do I but they all went to undergrad 25-35 years ago. I had a good number of Bs and my overall 3.8 GPA was top 15% at my college, I went to an ivy for med school. The median grade in intro courses was often a C+ or a B- then, or 2.3-2.7 BCPM (stem) gpa if you scored average on every intro course. Students who stuck with it and were average science majors had around a 3.3 at graduation, now it is 3.7 or so as a median at graduation, at many schools higher. We have two different neighbors whose kids went to UGA and UTenn and got 3.9s as science majors and still cannot crack 500 on the MCAT after multiple attempts and 1-2 gap years. One struggled to get a 3.3 in a well known post-bacc designed to boost gpa. Undergraduate grade inflation even at non-elites is out of hand the past 10 yrs and it is much worse since covid. Bs and Cs for the BCPM gpa these days is well below average, MD will not happen. OP's kid got an F and a D.

I also know doctors who had Bs and Cs.

If she’s already an EMT, consider additional training to become a paramedic.

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

Physician who works with many PA and NP over 25 years. While true in part, it is also true that PA and NP typically do well enough in the intro science classes (or nursing classes). In other words, Bs and Cs are fine. Many had mostly As through undergrad based on many resumes I have reviewed. The OP's student failed intro chem and almost failed bio. That is not consistent with one who has the science skills to become a PA or NP.

Are you sure it wasn't just a case of how the material was taught or he hasn't quite figured out how he learns best? Do not throw it all out the window yet. I barely passed the sciences in high school, struggled in college but made it though with tutoring, and aced grad school sciences. It took time for me to figure out the best way to learn that type of material, hard work and some great tutors. If it truly is a case that no matter what, sciences are not something he will ever be able to handle, then nursing, PA, nurse practitioner are also unfortunately not in the cards. They are VERY science heavy as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

Anonymous wrote:Definitely think the accelerated BSN is a good path.

DC is considering both pre-med and pre-PA and the requirements are very, very similar. Those that we have known who have chosen PA or PT over MD school haven't done so b/c of the academics, but rather the time commitment, cost or other interest. Those aren't fall-back options.

I was weeded out of pre-med. It was OK. I didn't have the passion for the sciences and was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do. I ended up in bio-tech sales and that was a much better path.

100% Adaptability is a key element of success in any career path.

Definitely think the accelerated BSN is a good path.

DC is considering both pre-med and pre-PA and the requirements are very, very similar. Those that we have known who have chosen PA or PT over MD school haven't done so b/c of the academics, but rather the time commitment, cost or other interest. Those aren't fall-back options.

I was weeded out of pre-med. It was OK. I didn't have the passion for the sciences and was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do. I ended up in bio-tech sales and that was a much better path.

Anonymous wrote:https://mastersnursing.marquette.edu/direct-entry-msn/

19 months after graduating, and she could practice independently in many states!

this is why people in the know not go to young NPs. you used to have to know what you're doing before getting an NP.

Agree with MD poster above.
Intro Undergrad classes are the easiest step in this road. If poor grade was totally because of family health emergency, then plot out a path to redeem. If not, then consider another field.

Orgo/physics are even harder.
Med school is much harder.
Residency is way way harder than med school.
Real life working as a doctor is super intense, more than residency even. You have to work non stop, faster and more efficiently than is comfortable. And be able to quickly think through all that material you’ve learned.

I thrive on the pace and efficiency of being a doctor. Like PP said, I love the body and sciences and even when not at work, I talk about my field a lot and read a lot.

MD is not a job, it’s an all in lifestyle.

I agree with the BSN after undergrad. It’s less than 2 years. The student will require specific science prerequisites to apply. RN degrees don’t have the science backgrounds that a PA would.

https://mastersnursing.marquette.edu/direct-entry-msn/

19 months after graduating, and she could practice independently in many states!

Anonymous wrote:If they failed chemistry and also got a low grade in Biol, it is highly unlikely they will be able to do PA or NP. What subjects do they enjoy AND excel in? Steer the career in that direction.

They can definitely go into NP - for that you just need a degree, any degree, and then do an MSN program