Anonymous
05/21/2025 09:32
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.[/quote
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Except that teams that want to cheat will cheat if given any wiggle room. All of a sudden there’s now tryouts and little Larla with her legal but slow 50 free “isn’t ready” for the team. Better fill that spot instead with a year round phenom…
I can think of 3 Division 1 teams that would be all over this! Overlee is always crying about not having 8 and under swimmers on their roster of well over 200 swimmers.
Honestly a LOT of teams could benefit from this. There are many teams, even in the top 1/3 divisions that are struggling with 8 and under swimmers, especially boys.
They are not having trouble filling the 8 and under lanes. They may struggle to find legal 8 and under swimmers or fast 8 and under swimmers but the lanes are not empty.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 09:16
Subject: Re:NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:There are already pools that allow members to skip the waitlist and join one day a year at midnight specifically if you are going to be on the swim team. This has happened in division 1, so isn't an only division 14 issue. That's already unfair but at least they pay the full price for the summers. Now they are asking people to join the pool but not even pay full price? Why can't they pay full price?
It doesn’t actually look like they are asking people to join the pool. The posts I’ve seen (from the OP-linked club and a few others, all quite small), they are earnestly trying to give an opportunity to families who may live in apartments or townhomes that have pools and no teams.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 09:01
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
I think NVSL rules should stand as is. There is no need to change the rules and changing the rules would actually cause more harm with the lower divisions.
Those pools desperate for swim team members only need to make sure the families are members. No ruies say how they become members or the cost of the memberships.
Those pools desperate for swim team members only need to make sure the families are members. No ruies say how they become members or the cost of the memberships.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 09:01
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Our team bounces between divisions ~12 and 15. This would definitely raise eyebrows.
Quoting myself.
Our club probably wouldn’t do this because we’d lose “full pay” members to this option and we can’t afford to do that.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 08:39
Subject: Re:NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
There are already pools that allow members to skip the waitlist and join one day a year at midnight specifically if you are going to be on the swim team. This has happened in division 1, so isn't an only division 14 issue. That's already unfair but at least they pay the full price for the summers. Now they are asking people to join the pool but not even pay full price? Why can't they pay full price?
Anonymous
05/21/2025 08:36
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Based on the previous summer?
Anonymous
05/21/2025 08:27
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.[/quote
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Except that teams that want to cheat will cheat if given any wiggle room. All of a sudden there’s now tryouts and little Larla with her legal but slow 50 free “isn’t ready” for the team. Better fill that spot instead with a year round phenom…
I can think of 3 Division 1 teams that would be all over this! Overlee is always crying about not having 8 and under swimmers on their roster of well over 200 swimmers.
Honestly a LOT of teams could benefit from this. There are many teams, even in the top 1/3 divisions that are struggling with 8 and under swimmers, especially boys.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 08:14
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.[/quote
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Except that teams that want to cheat will cheat if given any wiggle room. All of a sudden there’s now tryouts and little Larla with her legal but slow 50 free “isn’t ready” for the team. Better fill that spot instead with a year round phenom…
I can think of 3 Division 1 teams that would be all over this! Overlee is always crying about not having 8 and under swimmers on their roster of well over 200 swimmers.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 08:04
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Except that teams that want to cheat will cheat if given any wiggle room. All of a sudden there’s now tryouts and little Larla with her legal but slow 50 free “isn’t ready” for the team. Better fill that spot instead with a year round phenom…
It would be pretty obvious if a pool that previously had no trouble filling lanes all of a sudden was appealing to the league to be allowed to use swim team only memberships because of low roster numbers. You can also set a division cut off where this rule only applies to pools in divisions x-y because if you can’t fill lanes the chance that you’re in an upper division is slim to none.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 06:28
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
It only costs a little over $300 to join the pool mentioned in the post with a full associate membership which gives you unlimited access to the pool. It makes no sense for the team to be offering discounted “swim team only” memberships. Someone didn’t realize NVSL rules when they made that decision.
Anonymous
05/21/2025 06:25
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Except that teams that want to cheat will cheat if given any wiggle room. All of a sudden there’s now tryouts and little Larla with her legal but slow 50 free “isn’t ready” for the team. Better fill that spot instead with a year round phenom…
Anonymous
05/20/2025 23:10
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
+1
Anonymous
05/20/2025 21:53
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
It really shouldn’t though. The ability to use swim team only memberships should be limited to those pools who otherwise can’t fill lanes at an A meets. Establish a threshold for roster size and all pools who can’t meet the minimum roster size are able to use swim team only members.
Anonymous
05/20/2025 21:48
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
That sounds complicated and would open up a can of worms.
Anonymous
05/20/2025 21:24
Subject: NVSL “Swim Team Only” memberships — are these legal under NVSL Bylaws?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg, they probably are trying to fill their team and is this the only way they can.
All fair, and perhaps NVSL should put an equitable process in place for exactly those circumstances.
Agree, it should be fair and equitable across the board.