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Anonymous wrote:What happened? My kid took Psych in UK without incident, started noon our time.

Apparently, US east coast could not login to bluebook for the afternoon AP Psych exam.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine told me a kid had a phone out and two kids in back cheating. Pathetic schools don’t get competent proctors. Cheering is so rampant and it’s sickening.

The College Board, with all it's money, puts all the burden on the schools to administer the test. They should do it themselves. Goodness knows they have the money.

Anonymous wrote:Mine told me a kid had a phone out and two kids in back cheating. Pathetic schools don’t get competent proctors. Cheering is so rampant and it’s sickening.

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Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

I'm French, and in France the government has an all-powerful Ministère de l'Education who administers the national Baccalauréat exams: orals, and long dissertations, on every subject at the end of high school. It's max pressure on the students. Every year we are reminded on the news that this week, kids are doing exams all over France. Reporters interview students at the end of their exams, or accompany them the day they find out their scores. They quiz professors on what they would have answered on the Philosophy (or other) exams. It's a national exercise leading to a national conversation. Germany has the Abitur, and the UK has A levels. Korea grinds to a halt when students take their exams, and construction stops near exam centers. In Japan and China it's a huge deal as well.

This is what it looks like when countries take education seriously. I wish the USA could see its way to nationalizing its educational standards and impose a national end of high school exam series. It would make college admissions a lot less murky and stressful. No need to deal with for-profit educational companies!

1. The US exam would be abysmal. Seriously, can you imagine what a flaming pile of poo would be created? Next it would be politicized. Facts would be removed, no science, Jesus stamped all over it and full of MAGA bs.

2. The high stakes exams has led to a huge flourishing of for profit exam prep centers in China, Korea and India. Cheating is also rampant. Not sure this is what we want to aspire to be.

3. Holistic isn’t bad if it’s transparent and fair. Universities are too opaque and it makes it look like they are hiding something or they are doing something that would hurt their brand.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

I'm French, and in France the government has an all-powerful Ministère de l'Education who administers the national Baccalauréat exams: orals, and long dissertations, on every subject at the end of high school. It's max pressure on the students. Every year we are reminded on the news that this week, kids are doing exams all over France. Reporters interview students at the end of their exams, or accompany them the day they find out their scores. They quiz professors on what they would have answered on the Philosophy (or other) exams. It's a national exercise leading to a national conversation. Germany has the Abitur, and the UK has A levels. Korea grinds to a halt when students take their exams, and construction stops near exam centers. In Japan and China it's a huge deal as well.

This is what it looks like when countries take education seriously. I wish the USA could see its way to nationalizing its educational standards and impose a national end of high school exam series. It would make college admissions a lot less murky and stressful. No need to deal with for-profit educational companies!

1. The US exam would be abysmal. Seriously, can you imagine what a flaming pile of poo would be created? Next it would be politicized. Facts would be removed, no science, Jesus stamped all over it and full of MAGA bs.

2. The high stakes exams has led to a huge flourishing of for profit exam prep centers in China, Korea and India. Cheating is also rampant. Not sure this is what we want to aspire to be.

3. Holistic isn’t bad if it’s transparent and fair. Universities are too opaque and it makes it look like they are hiding something or they are doing something that would hurt their brand.

French PP you replied to. I agree that in Asian countries, cheating has become problematic. In France it's very difficult to cheat, not just because there's a robust protection of exam questions, but because the format is mostly long-form answers. You have to show your work, or write lengthy essays, with citations, memorization of facts and dates, and thoughtful thesis and antithesis. I guess that with AI, someone could steal the questions in advance, then ask ChatGPT to write their essays for them - but then they'd have to memorize it all, and on the day of the exam rewrite it by hand on the exam paper provided! Too much work

Sounds like the grading and evaluation are very subjective. Non merci.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

I'm French, and in France the government has an all-powerful Ministère de l'Education who administers the national Baccalauréat exams: orals, and long dissertations, on every subject at the end of high school. It's max pressure on the students. Every year we are reminded on the news that this week, kids are doing exams all over France. Reporters interview students at the end of their exams, or accompany them the day they find out their scores. They quiz professors on what they would have answered on the Philosophy (or other) exams. It's a national exercise leading to a national conversation. Germany has the Abitur, and the UK has A levels. Korea grinds to a halt when students take their exams, and construction stops near exam centers. In Japan and China it's a huge deal as well.

This is what it looks like when countries take education seriously. I wish the USA could see its way to nationalizing its educational standards and impose a national end of high school exam series. It would make college admissions a lot less murky and stressful. No need to deal with for-profit educational companies!

1. The US exam would be abysmal. Seriously, can you imagine what a flaming pile of poo would be created? Next it would be politicized. Facts would be removed, no science, Jesus stamped all over it and full of MAGA bs.

2. The high stakes exams has led to a huge flourishing of for profit exam prep centers in China, Korea and India. Cheating is also rampant. Not sure this is what we want to aspire to be.

3. Holistic isn’t bad if it’s transparent and fair. Universities are too opaque and it makes it look like they are hiding something or they are doing something that would hurt their brand.

French PP you replied to. I agree that in Asian countries, cheating has become problematic. In France it's very difficult to cheat, not just because there's a robust protection of exam questions, but because the format is mostly long-form answers. You have to show your work, or write lengthy essays, with citations, memorization of facts and dates, and thoughtful thesis and antithesis. I guess that with AI, someone could steal the questions in advance, then ask ChatGPT to write their essays for them - but then they'd have to memorize it all, and on the day of the exam rewrite it by hand on the exam paper provided! Too much work

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

I'm French, and in France the government has an all-powerful Ministère de l'Education who administers the national Baccalauréat exams: orals, and long dissertations, on every subject at the end of high school. It's max pressure on the students. Every year we are reminded on the news that this week, kids are doing exams all over France. Reporters interview students at the end of their exams, or accompany them the day they find out their scores. They quiz professors on what they would have answered on the Philosophy (or other) exams. It's a national exercise leading to a national conversation. Germany has the Abitur, and the UK has A levels. Korea grinds to a halt when students take their exams, and construction stops near exam centers. In Japan and China it's a huge deal as well.

This is what it looks like when countries take education seriously. I wish the USA could see its way to nationalizing its educational standards and impose a national end of high school exam series. It would make college admissions a lot less murky and stressful. No need to deal with for-profit educational companies!

1. The US exam would be abysmal. Seriously, can you imagine what a flaming pile of poo would be created? Next it would be politicized. Facts would be removed, no science, Jesus stamped all over it and full of MAGA bs.

2. The high stakes exams has led to a huge flourishing of for profit exam prep centers in China, Korea and India. Cheating is also rampant. Not sure this is what we want to aspire to be.

3. Holistic isn’t bad if it’s transparent and fair. Universities are too opaque and it makes it look like they are hiding something or they are doing something that would hurt their brand.

Anonymous wrote:Late testing date for Psychology is next Friday. My kids school is off that day for the long holiday weekend...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

Agree but it’s equally frustrating to rely on gpa when schools are so different in rigor, allowing exams to be retaken, extra credit. Ours allowed none of that and A’s are hard earned. Wish a better way on all fronts.

+1 national level exam would be the only equalizer. That's how other countries do it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

Agree but it’s equally frustrating to rely on gpa when schools are so different in rigor, allowing exams to be retaken, extra credit. Ours allowed none of that and A’s are hard earned. Wish a better way on all fronts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college board is awful. My kid was also impacted with the SAT debacle in March.

Isn't it amazing that so many people want their tests to dominate admissions when they have constant issues?

And their CEO makes $2.5 million a year.

I'm French, and in France the government has an all-powerful Ministère de l'Education who administers the national Baccalauréat exams: orals, and long dissertations, on every subject at the end of high school. It's max pressure on the students. Every year we are reminded on the news that this week, kids are doing exams all over France. Reporters interview students at the end of their exams, or accompany them the day they find out their scores. They quiz professors on what they would have answered on the Philosophy (or other) exams. It's a national exercise leading to a national conversation. Germany has the Abitur, and the UK has A levels. Korea grinds to a halt when students take their exams, and construction stops near exam centers. In Japan and China it's a huge deal as well.

This is what it looks like when countries take education seriously. I wish the USA could see its way to nationalizing its educational standards and impose a national end of high school exam series. It would make college admissions a lot less murky and stressful. No need to deal with for-profit educational companies!

Anonymous wrote:Late testing date for Psychology is next Friday. My kids school is off that day for the long holiday weekend...