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Anonymous wrote:What is a donut hole family? High income nut no savings?

Too rich to get aid. But not rich enough to easily pay $90k a year, especially with multiple kids. Usually live in high cost of living areas.

And also made the choice not to save but instead increase their lifestyle as their income increased. Because even in a "hCOLA" if you have been making $250K for the last 5 years, you could have chosen to save $20-30K/year, and likely for more than 5 years

I've done that and I'm not separating from this money when we can do college without separating from it. it would be utterly stupid when you have more than one child and are not wealthy. Save, save, don't gift it to a greedy overpriced college.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a donut hole family? High income nut no savings?

Too rich to get aid. But not rich enough to easily pay $90k a year, especially with multiple kids. Usually live in high cost of living areas.

And also made the choice not to save but instead increase their lifestyle as their income increased. Because even in a "hCOLA" if you have been making $250K for the last 5 years, you could have chosen to save $20-30K/year, and likely for more than 5 years

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Anonymous wrote:What is a donut hole family? High income nut no savings?

Too rich to get aid. But not rich enough to easily pay $90k a year, especially with multiple kids. Usually live in high cost of living areas.

Many of us have lower incomes and in high cost of living areas. It’s lifestyle choices. It’s insane someone in a million dollar house making what many do feel entitled to aid when the rest of us live poorly to save.

“Living poorly” to be able to be full pay when you would otherwise receive aid is a lifestyle choice. And not a particularly good one.

NP- Yeah, I kind of agree. We would have been better off buying a more expensive house than staying in our starter home. Now we are kind of stuck and not where we want to be.

I am the PP poster - I agree - I am saying I am NOT a donut hole family - and that peers who are whining about colllege at that level are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:What is definition of donut hole income for DMV? Just curious - I am guessing HHI $200k-$500k?

I have $700k HHI and 3 kids in private; i do. Ot consider myself donut hole - it sucks to have to pay $90k/yr for college but i feel lucky to be able to afford it. It is confusing when i hear peers talk about donut hole, because we are so so lucky to have what we have and i can’t complain.

150-225 is donut hole. maybe 250. not 700 lol

Upthread someone said $214 was too little for donut hole. Now $226 is too much. Maybe there’s no such thing?

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Anonymous wrote:What is definition of donut hole income for DMV? Just curious - I am guessing HHI $200k-$500k?

I have $700k HHI and 3 kids in private; i do. Ot consider myself donut hole - it sucks to have to pay $90k/yr for college but i feel lucky to be able to afford it. It is confusing when i hear peers talk about donut hole, because we are so so lucky to have what we have and i can’t complain.

150-225 is donut hole. maybe 250. not 700 lol

+1 at someone with $500k+ whining about paying for college. Especially when they are already comfortably paying for private school. That's probably costing you something like $50-$60k, right? So paying $90k/yr for college is the same hit to your pre-college budget as the public school family paying for their in state public college. And I should hope at the income level you have a lot more slack in your budget to pay for it. If not, you must be really bad with money.

Anonymous wrote:What is definition of donut hole income for DMV? Just curious - I am guessing HHI $200k-$500k?

I have $700k HHI and 3 kids in private; i do. Ot consider myself donut hole - it sucks to have to pay $90k/yr for college but i feel lucky to be able to afford it. It is confusing when i hear peers talk about donut hole, because we are so so lucky to have what we have and i can’t complain.

150-225 is donut hole. maybe 250. not 700 lol

Anonymous wrote:I need to quit my job. It’s painful to see people paying $40-50k less for the same school with not a big difference in income.

it's because of assets, not income.

PP - typo - i do not consider myself donut hole

What is definition of donut hole income for DMV? Just curious - I am guessing HHI $200k-$500k?

I have $700k HHI and 3 kids in private; i do. Ot consider myself donut hole - it sucks to have to pay $90k/yr for college but i feel lucky to be able to afford it. It is confusing when i hear peers talk about donut hole, because we are so so lucky to have what we have and i can’t complain.

I need to quit my job. It’s painful to see people paying $40-50k less for the same school with not a big difference in income.

$0 need based other than the basic loan.

Merit aid has varied even for similar schools from 0 to $45k a year. My kid is going out of state to a school that gave enough merit to make it just slightly cheaper than the in state alternatives but that is a much better fit for her major and interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Donut hole family (HHI $215k) results with a current senior:

Accepted to Brown and Cornell, cost in the 60s

Accepted to Amherst, Bowdoin and Vassar, cost in the 40s

Accepted to UMD, UConn, UVM, Binghamton, cost in the 30s with merit

You aren’t a donut hole family if you got that much need-based aid.

They specifically said merit not need based.

Read again. They only said merit for the state schools. The private universities and LACs are need-based discounts.

Not donut hole, I guess.

Harvard, No FA

HHI under 200. Assets 2mm in brokerage, 1mm in retirement, 1mm house (paid off, we bought 25 years ago for 300k), 100k in 529.

We are small business owners and are limited by earned income as to how much we can shift to retirement.

2 younger kids

I think if we had 2mm in retirement and 1mm in brokerage we would have gotten aid.

I dont really understand why colleges care where the money is. Our brokerage includes our retirement money, it's just not tax advantaged.

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Anonymous wrote:Donut hole family (HHI $215k) results with a current senior:

Accepted to Brown and Cornell, cost in the 60s

Accepted to Amherst, Bowdoin and Vassar, cost in the 40s

Accepted to UMD, UConn, UVM, Binghamton, cost in the 30s with merit

Many of those scbools don’t give merit. Why is the coa discounted?

HHI of $215 is going to be full-pay at some schools but get need-based aid at others.