My STEM-leaning junior daughter is not considering it because she wants a more diverse part of the country. She has gone to private school with mostly whites all her life and wants to live in a place where there is a lot of ethnic diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

Ambitious but far from reality.

It's probably true that few Dalton parents are physicians. Most of "Dentist rich" send their kids to suburb public school.

But not every one wants to do hedge fund, even if their parents are doing that.

Business, law, and medicine continue to be the mainstream choices for Dalton kids, about 1/3 each. Yes, there is very very few engineering bound.

I swear, the name puts people off. I know it has a good reputation, but it never has the "buzz" that a lot of comparable schools have.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

You are smoking too much hooka. Doctors make good salaries. Depending on your specialty, that could be a great salary. I view doctors as pre professionals that are close to the 1 percent or in the 1 percent. Consultants, lawyers (big law) and investment bankers and VCs make more. But I would not look down on doctors at all.

My kid is premed and the profession is definitely one that is white collared.

No, you're the one that needs to leave the hooka bubble. I'm a physician. I make a very good income at around $300K.
However, I can't begin to afford the lifestyle of many of the families at at our private school.
I joke about this with a few other doctor friends at our school. We are definitely "the poors" which is completely absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

This. Engineering is seen as a very middle class profession. Doctors and lawyers don’t want their kids to be engineers. I am a lawyer and no one I know has a kid in this track.

Which is sort of ironic, because most engineering majors will make way more than a doctor, unless you are highly specialized. And take into account that Engineering majors start earning at age 22, and at most might get an MBA/MS 5-10 years down the road (often done while still working/making $$$). It Add in quality of life---an engineering major can get married, see their spouse several hours a day, take vacations, and have kids at 30/32 and be around to see their kids. A doctor is basically 30 before their "career begins" and they have a decent schedule (possibly longer). They were not making much at all up until then, instead they spent $200K+ on medical school. While at age 30 the engineer is likely making $130K+ (more in a HCOLA) and working 50 hour weeks on average.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

You are smoking too much hooka. Doctors make good salaries. Depending on your specialty, that could be a great salary. I view doctors as pre professionals that are close to the 1 percent or in the 1 percent. Consultants, lawyers (big law) and investment bankers and VCs make more. But I would not look down on doctors at all.

My kid is premed and the profession is definitely one that is white collared.

It can be solid if the cost is similar to in state, but for 66k tuition, you have to convince yourself that it is even worth applying, even if the school gives 30k scholarships, still not convinced

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

When I was there it seemed heavily engineering. This was 30 years ago.


Regardless, the same thinking applies. Medicine is increasingly seen as a middle class to upper middle class profession as well.
If you go to Sidwell or Dalton or Andover there are very few parents who are physicians. The average physician in the US makes like $300K.
That is bottom 10% of the non-aid kids at Sidwell and pretty much poverty wages at Dalton.

Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Case is mainly regarded as a premed school.

Not so much on the engineering side.

Anonymous wrote:I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

This. Engineering is seen as a very middle class profession. Doctors and lawyers don’t want their kids to be engineers. I am a lawyer and no one I know has a kid in this track.

Bad weather and not perceived to be a fun school. But our private still sends a few quirky kids there each year who missed out on the T30 because it’s a very solid school.

My kid just visited and was impressed by the campus, museums, food etc. Downtown Cleveland could be a bit more lively, but was much better than expected.

I went to Case and it's a very STEM (specifically engineering) heavy school.

Private high schools don't send many kids to study engineering (at any college) because of the salaries. My kids attend a well-regarded private and the wealthy by-in-large have kids who go into finance or law. Engineering is viewed as a stable but middle to upper middle class career. Sure, some engineers combine their scientific knowledge with business (or law) and make a ton of money but most do not.

It's been interesting to observe all of this as someone who did not grow up with any sort of money.

Shhh. Don’t tell the private school kids about Case.

The CS kid seem to think it's a decent school.