Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, on AN25 one of Sara H colleague suggested a 34 ACT should only be submitted to Vanderbilt for early decision (25%), but not regular decision based on their large data set of who has been successful in the past.

In RD Vanderbilt only wants 35/36 and truly is test optional.

I’ve seen similar anecdotal advice on here.

Test scores are truly a case-by-case decision IF a school is truly and honestly test optional.

With regard to the above advice from the SH colleague, it sounds old. Too far backward-looking. Vandy's submittal rate has been going too low and they will be looking to turn that around.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Most.

Most colleges admit everyone who applies. 25% is low for R1s/T100s.

That is not true. Have you looked recently?

Yesterday, on AN25 one of Sara H colleague suggested a 34 ACT should only be submitted to Vanderbilt for early decision (25%), but not regular decision based on their large data set of who has been successful in the past.

In RD Vanderbilt only wants 35/36 and truly is test optional.

I’ve seen similar anecdotal advice on here.

Test scores are truly a case-by-case decision IF a school is truly and honestly test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:People submit less as the scores submitted are "fake".

Meaning pre Test Optional a school would get 50 thousand test scores that range from around 900 to 1,600. So someone in the middle with a 1,250 test score submits.

Today all the kids with 900-1,200 wont submit leaving the ones submitted range of 1,200 to 1,600 with a 1,400 average.

All at once your 1,250 test score looks terrible so you dont submit.

The TO thing just shows how grossly incompetent AOs are. TO should have always been reported as 0 in the stats. But AO is a jobs program for humanities majors who can’t count.

It’s generous of you to assume it’s incompetence instead of malice. Advertising numbers as 25th and 75th percentiles when over half your class doesn’t submit scores at all strikes me as deceptive. And while application readers are often recent humanities majors, the VPs of enrollment are usually well-versed in spreadsheets and algorithms.

Anonymous wrote:People submit less as the scores submitted are "fake".

Meaning pre Test Optional a school would get 50 thousand test scores that range from around 900 to 1,600. So someone in the middle with a 1,250 test score submits.

Today all the kids with 900-1,200 wont submit leaving the ones submitted range of 1,200 to 1,600 with a 1,400 average.

All at once your 1,250 test score looks terrible so you dont submit.

The TO thing just shows how grossly incompetent AOs are. TO should have always been reported as 0 in the stats. But AO is a jobs program for humanities majors who can’t count.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Northeastern and UW-Seattle are two I know of. I would assume Northeastern because it’s taking kids without scores in ED, and UW because its applicant pool has so much overlap with the applicant pool for California state schools (which are test blind).

That’s interesting, DC was rejected by Northeastern with 1570 and 4.0uw

Your kid was too qualified for NE.

It's hilarious and sad that people keep spreading lies about the type of student that applies to NEU. I don't know a single smart student among our kids' friends and associates (sports and clubs) who have that school even as a safety. These are dozens and dozens of kids who are applying to T10/T25 schools and NEU hasn't come up once.

https://uds.northeastern.edu/cds/2018-2019/
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10#25-northeastern-university-average-sat-1435-26

This was around 2018 pre-Covid when test was mandatory.
Northeastern was #25 for average SAT.
The schools gets 100K apps with single digit acceptance rate.
Numbers and data make you dumba$$.
We live in the 21st century. Keep up.

All those kids have graduated. 80% of current students were admitted without test scores. Northeastern is exclusive for sure, but there’s no reason to believe that kids who applied test optional had high test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Northeastern and UW-Seattle are two I know of. I would assume Northeastern because it’s taking kids without scores in ED, and UW because its applicant pool has so much overlap with the applicant pool for California state schools (which are test blind).

That’s interesting, DC was rejected by Northeastern with 1570 and 4.0uw

Your kid was too qualified for NE.

It's hilarious and sad that people keep spreading lies about the type of student that applies to NEU. I don't know a single smart student among our kids' friends and associates (sports and clubs) who have that school even as a safety. These are dozens and dozens of kids who are applying to T10/T25 schools and NEU hasn't come up once.

https://uds.northeastern.edu/cds/2018-2019/
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10#25-northeastern-university-average-sat-1435-26

This was around 2018 pre-Covid when test was mandatory.
Northeastern was #25 for average SAT.
The schools gets 100K apps with single digit acceptance rate.
Numbers and data make you dumba$$.
We live in the 21st century. Keep up.

Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Crappy ones

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Most.

Most colleges admit everyone who applies. 25% is low for R1s/T100s.

Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Most.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, I really feel for the professors in hard classes who teach the A students who got a 1600 on the sat alongside the A students who got a 1100 or 1200 (or would have if they took it). It must be so frustrating for everyone involved.

What are you talking about? Pre COVID only the highest test scores or smartest kids took the hard classes?

DP but, yes. Pre-COVID, at some schools at least 75% of students had very high test scores, and the wide receivers and heiresses who got in with lower scores were quietly encouraged to major in studio art. Of course larger schools, especially state schools, have always enrolled a wider range of students. In fact this used to be a reason that smart kids chose private schools, with their more uniformly high-scoring student body, over their state flagships.

Anonymous wrote:Boy, I really feel for the professors in hard classes who teach the A students who got a 1600 on the sat alongside the A students who got a 1100 or 1200 (or would have if they took it). It must be so frustrating for everyone involved.

What are you talking about? Pre COVID only the highest test scores or smartest kids took the hard classes?

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Anonymous wrote:100% yes. even if it's 25% on the dot

Really? I wouldn't submit if it's 25% on the dot. I would if closer to 50 percentile.

This. If your score helps the school by raising its average, then submit.

But why submit a score that puts you in the bottom fourth? That's just dumb.

Anonymous wrote:Boy, I really feel for the professors in hard classes who teach the A students who got a 1600 on the sat alongside the A students who got a 1100 or 1200 (or would have if they took it). It must be so frustrating for everyone involved.

It's not much different than the high school teachers who have had to deal with this situation for longer.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of schools with so few submit scores?

Northeastern and UW-Seattle are two I know of. I would assume Northeastern because it’s taking kids without scores in ED, and UW because its applicant pool has so much overlap with the applicant pool for California state schools (which are test blind).

That’s interesting, DC was rejected by Northeastern with 1570 and 4.0uw

Your kid was too qualified for NE.

It's hilarious and sad that people keep spreading lies about the type of student that applies to NEU. I don't know a single smart student among our kids' friends and associates (sports and clubs) who have that school even as a safety. These are dozens and dozens of kids who are applying to T10/T25 schools and NEU hasn't come up once.