Anonymous
10/19/2024 20:05
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Oddly, I briefly considered Wisconsin-Stevens Point for my child. And I have a mom board friend with a child at I think whitewater?
I understand that this is about flagships, but Wisconsin does have some other good options
I understand that this is about flagships, but Wisconsin does have some other good options
Anonymous
10/19/2024 20:00
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The entire northeast lacks top notch public universities. And that is mostly due to history. The Ivy League has existed since the 18th Century. Most of the SLACs in the region arose in the 19th Century. It wasn't until fairly recently that a significant number of people even went to college. Until then, the Ivies and the LACs more than filled the demand for higher education.
In younger parts of the country, the need for tertiary education arose as population increased. There is no Harvard in Texas. There is no Princeton in Michigan. States in the South, Midwest, and the West had far greater need for good public universities. There was nothing else.
And those realities remain true today. All the good public universities are in the South, Midwest, and West. And the Northeast continues to suck at public education. That's not likely to change.
This is absolutely not true. NE has strong public universities, and NY certainly does. You are making educational decisions based on how well known their sports teams are, for the most part
Nonsense. There is no public university in the Northeast that competes with Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Purdue, UIUC, Michigan, Washington, Georgia Tech, UMD, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, UC Davis and on and on. And don't reply with Cornell and MIT are technically land grant universities so therefore they are the best public colleges in America. Tedious semantics that have nothing to do with reality. The rest of the country values affordable public education much more than the NE.
The post was about Wisconsin…which strangely enough is basically ranked the same as Rutgers.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:56
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:NY has plenty of good schools - Albany, Buffalo, Bing, Stony Brook among others but somehow people don’t get excited over them (locations and without big sports programs to drive marketing). But your children can get a top notch education at any of these schools.
Don’t be dumb.
And NJ has Rutgers. Great school and with some sports. Done.
+ 100
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:52
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.
Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.
Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.
? says who?
According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.
Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison
You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?
The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:50
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The entire northeast lacks top notch public universities. And that is mostly due to history. The Ivy League has existed since the 18th Century. Most of the SLACs in the region arose in the 19th Century. It wasn't until fairly recently that a significant number of people even went to college. Until then, the Ivies and the LACs more than filled the demand for higher education.
In younger parts of the country, the need for tertiary education arose as population increased. There is no Harvard in Texas. There is no Princeton in Michigan. States in the South, Midwest, and the West had far greater need for good public universities. There was nothing else.
And those realities remain true today. All the good public universities are in the South, Midwest, and West. And the Northeast continues to suck at public education. That's not likely to change.
This is absolutely not true. NE has strong public universities, and NY certainly does. You are making educational decisions based on how well known their sports teams are, for the most part
Nonsense. There is no public university in the Northeast that competes with Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Purdue, UIUC, Michigan, Washington, Georgia Tech, UMD, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, UC Davis and on and on. And don't reply with Cornell and MIT are technically land grant universities so therefore they are the best public colleges in America. Tedious semantics that have nothing to do with reality. The rest of the country values affordable public education much more than the NE.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:46
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NJ and NY didn't need a state flagship the way Wisconsin did. They have ivies.
This is true…plus MIT and all the SLACs.
BTW…Rutgers is 41 and Wisc 39…so, not even sure where the thread is coming from.
Apparently OP judges purely on DCUM buzz
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:45
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.
Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.
Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.
the intense anxiety over prestige has really rotted people’s brains.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:44
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.
Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.
Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.
? says who?
According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.
Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:39
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:The entire northeast lacks top notch public universities. And that is mostly due to history. The Ivy League has existed since the 18th Century. Most of the SLACs in the region arose in the 19th Century. It wasn't until fairly recently that a significant number of people even went to college. Until then, the Ivies and the LACs more than filled the demand for higher education.
In younger parts of the country, the need for tertiary education arose as population increased. There is no Harvard in Texas. There is no Princeton in Michigan. States in the South, Midwest, and the West had far greater need for good public universities. There was nothing else.
And those realities remain true today. All the good public universities are in the South, Midwest, and West. And the Northeast continues to suck at public education. That's not likely to change.
Knowledge of the whole "land grant" thing would help your thesis.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:37
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:NJ is double the size of Wisconsin, with two huge metro area ( Philly and nyc). NY is nearly 5 times the population of Wisconsin, yet the SUNY system if lackluster. Wisconsin doesn’t even have a top 30 metro area, yet it somehow or another is able to find money/talent for a good state university. Where is all that money going for public schools in the NY/NJ?
Because there is a history of amazing private schools in NE, both LAC and Ivies. Rutgers had opportunity to join Ivy League way back when but declined.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:36
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NJ is double the size of Wisconsin, with two huge metro area ( Philly and nyc). NY is nearly 5 times the population of Wisconsin, yet the SUNY system if lackluster. Wisconsin doesn’t even have a top 30 metro area, yet it somehow or another is able to find money/talent for a good state university. Where is all that money going for public schools in the NY/NJ?
Wisconsin isn’t as good as it once was. I guess its lack of a top 30 metro area is finally catching up.
still better than SUNY and a pretty nice school. One thing not mentioned above is that Wisconsin has reciprocity with a number of other midwestern states.
Just Minnesota.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:36
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NJ is double the size of Wisconsin, with two huge metro area ( Philly and nyc). NY is nearly 5 times the population of Wisconsin, yet the SUNY system if lackluster. Wisconsin doesn’t even have a top 30 metro area, yet it somehow or another is able to find money/talent for a good state university. Where is all that money going for public schools in the NY/NJ?
Wisconsin isn’t as good as it once was. I guess its lack of a top 30 metro area is finally catching up.
It was the Scott walker GOP that tried to gut public education in the state. Gov. Evers has been pushing the funding back to where it should be and traditional conservatives in the state understand now the economic engine the flagship and system are for the state.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:32
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine
Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.
In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.
Bing is still very good. Better than it was 30 years ago. It's just regional. So if you left NY, you dont hear about it as much.
But CUNYs and SUNYs take more Stuy kids than any other colleges - maybe than all others combined.
I wonder if it is the lack of big sports that has contributed. I went to college 30 years ago and just remember Bing being mentioned as a top public, and now don’t hear about it.
Look, my kid is at a little known regional LAC. I am not all wrapped up in prestige and what not. I am just remembering my time vs now.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:08
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.
Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.
Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.
UCMD is better than all of those.
signed, a once upon a time international applicant
I think your perspective as a one time international applicant has distorted your view of these institutions vs. how they are perceived across a broader swath of this country as well as within their respective regions.
Anonymous
10/19/2024 19:04
Subject: If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?
Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine
Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.
In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.
Bing is still very good. Better than it was 30 years ago. It's just regional. So if you left NY, you dont hear about it as much.
But CUNYs and SUNYs take more Stuy kids than any other colleges - maybe than all others combined.