Anonymous wrote:The screen is to lower cost so they don't have extra wiring, knobs, buttons, etc. Tesla's Elon said cars have like miles of wiring in them and is looking to lower the cost. He stumbled on screens and everyone else copied.

So it might be only luxury cars that have buttons and knobs.

Yeah, no, like everything that dingus says, this is BS. He wanted to make everything software-based so he could lock everything down and charge people more.

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hear you. I like keys and actual gear shifters, too. As far as manually cranking the windows and locking / unlocking the door, I don't remember anything ever going wrong with this. On the other hand, windows and locks have both broken in "modern" vehicles I have had, as has the electronic parking brake.

I’d love crank windows. Sigh.

OP here and just checking back and wow, a little more snark than I expected but ok. I appreciate the info and yes have learned that the increase in screens is not in fact due to the glory of modernism but in fact simply because…it’s cheaper to make, update and repair. That is why I guessed perhaps some luxury makes might offer buttons but I appreciate knowing about the Honda.

I also hate using voice controls in the car because I sometimes make calls (hands free even!) and I like listening to music and hate breaking that up for every little adjustment. If I have alone time in the car, I don’t even want to hear myself talk

Mostly, I don’t like the screens because I don’t like taking my eyes off the road.

For you snarky young ones, my old self has in fact successfully made many adjustments over the decades as I lived BEFORE fax machines and have even used a rotary phone … and now run a small business that relies heavily on online sales and SM marketing. I did drive in cars with keys, ashtrays and crank windows. I’ve seen many advancements over time work (and have been grateful!) and some not…often there are adjustments … time always tells. In the end, just a question

Thanks, all

The screen is to lower cost so they don't have extra wiring, knobs, buttons, etc. Tesla's Elon said cars have like miles of wiring in them and is looking to lower the cost. He stumbled on screens and everyone else copied.

So it might be only luxury cars that have buttons and knobs.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

Perfect analogy. It turned out that those motorized seatbelts were actually more dangerous because people often would forget or choose not to use the lap belt, which was still manual. The motorized seatbelt was effective only if both were used. Presumably good intentions and all, but it turns out that it was very poor design. Same will happen with the touchscreens to the total exclusion of buttons. I think the Mercedes solution a PP mentions above is likely to end up being the right answer; people want a combo of screen and buttons.

lol no, sorry old people touch screens along with digital gauges are here to stay. i also appreciate my indoor plumbing

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-car-interior-touchscreen-euro-ncap-safety-testing/

So, wait, the poster responding that we’re all just old and stupid might not know what they’re talking about?

yes, use your voice, that will be the new way. Just like using a keyboard or a phone with a touch screen. do i need to fax that to you?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

Perfect analogy. It turned out that those motorized seatbelts were actually more dangerous because people often would forget or choose not to use the lap belt, which was still manual. The motorized seatbelt was effective only if both were used. Presumably good intentions and all, but it turns out that it was very poor design. Same will happen with the touchscreens to the total exclusion of buttons. I think the Mercedes solution a PP mentions above is likely to end up being the right answer; people want a combo of screen and buttons.

lol no, sorry old people touch screens along with digital gauges are here to stay. i also appreciate my indoor plumbing

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-car-interior-touchscreen-euro-ncap-safety-testing/

So, wait, the poster responding that we’re all just old and stupid might not know what they’re talking about?

Anonymous wrote:I’m 46 and would prefer touch buttons. DH is 47 and is about to buy a BMW one year old specifically because it still has buttons. I hate driving his Tesla, it’s not intuitive and it’s unsafe for me to try to figure out the temp control while driving. I use touchscreens on everything else so it’s not like I can’t figure it out, I just prefer buttons on cars. Take a back seat gen z’ers.

yep you are old, genx/boomers

I’m 46 and would prefer touch buttons. DH is 47 and is about to buy a BMW one year old specifically because it still has buttons. I hate driving his Tesla, it’s not intuitive and it’s unsafe for me to try to figure out the temp control while driving. I use touchscreens on everything else so it’s not like I can’t figure it out, I just prefer buttons on cars. Take a back seat gen z’ers.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

Perfect analogy. It turned out that those motorized seatbelts were actually more dangerous because people often would forget or choose not to use the lap belt, which was still manual. The motorized seatbelt was effective only if both were used. Presumably good intentions and all, but it turns out that it was very poor design. Same will happen with the touchscreens to the total exclusion of buttons. I think the Mercedes solution a PP mentions above is likely to end up being the right answer; people want a combo of screen and buttons.

lol no, sorry old people touch screens along with digital gauges are here to stay. i also appreciate my indoor plumbing

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-car-interior-touchscreen-euro-ncap-safety-testing/

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

Perfect analogy. It turned out that those motorized seatbelts were actually more dangerous because people often would forget or choose not to use the lap belt, which was still manual. The motorized seatbelt was effective only if both were used. Presumably good intentions and all, but it turns out that it was very poor design. Same will happen with the touchscreens to the total exclusion of buttons. I think the Mercedes solution a PP mentions above is likely to end up being the right answer; people want a combo of screen and buttons.

lol no, sorry old people touch screens along with digital gauges are here to stay. i also appreciate my indoor plumbing

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Anonymous wrote:My 2024 Mercedes has buttons and a screen. I greatly prefer the buttons.

Which buttons does it include (temp, etc)? I dislike the screen as I find it distracting and I have to take my eyes off the road to hit the right spot on the screen.

Thank you

I think you need to go the opposite way OP - All screen and learn to use your voice controls.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

Perfect analogy. It turned out that those motorized seatbelts were actually more dangerous because people often would forget or choose not to use the lap belt, which was still manual. The motorized seatbelt was effective only if both were used. Presumably good intentions and all, but it turns out that it was very poor design. Same will happen with the touchscreens to the total exclusion of buttons. I think the Mercedes solution a PP mentions above is likely to end up being the right answer; people want a combo of screen and buttons.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

pushback? only from these people

I have a 2021 Mercedes and it has a touch screen, but also a mouse like thing that you can use to change the things on the screen. It also has duplicate buttons to pick up or place a call, seat warmers and seat a/c, change temp, basically everything that's on the screen. You can also do a lot from the steering wheel.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the equivalent of someone 30 years ago asking what new car they can buy that you can manually crank the windows.

Not really. It's pretty well documented that there's pushback from buyers on going to screens and menus, and some manufacturers are looking to bring back more buttons and knobs. To me, a better analogy would be those horrible motorized seatbelts that were all the rage back in the earl '90s. Those didn't stick around, did they?

+1

Having to navigate a menu to change temperature is bad design and unsafe. I am hopeful it’s on its way out.