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Anonymous wrote:They handled that in a very mature manner.

Right, this type of thing had gone on since time immemorial in academia. It sounds like when the affair I occurred , the student was 22 and the school had no policy against it.

I was asked out by my professor at the U of Michigan, in grad school. And when I was at Johns Hopkins, a married department chair started an affair with a student he was supervising . It was wrong, but absolutely known by the whole department.

I am happy that such situations have been officially banned now, in some universities . But that is a recent development and people are naive if they did know how common (and condoned) this has been historically.

(For shocked posters, read up on Emmanuel Macron’s marriage!)

It’s discouraged but I don’t think it’s universally banned nor should it be. Some of these relationships end happily in long term relationships. As long as the dynamic is not coercive and there is no harassment, I don’t see the problem. It seems wrong to dictate to grown adults who they can and can’t fall in love with.

I figure you're the same PP who keeps coming back and making a huge effort to normalize this "relationship" and excuse it, while also being sure to throw the parents under the bus. Maybe there's more than one of you here, twisting yourselves into pretzels to try to make this a love match between adults.

You have no grasp of the idea that some relationships have a power differential. Even between "grown adults." At the time of this affair the student was just that, an undergraduate student, and her lover was a dean. Not even some garden-variety grad student or adjunct--a powerful dean. The fact you keep returning to insist this is how things were in the past, how some people end up "happily in long term relationships," etc. etc. ad nauseam, is jaw-dropping. Either you're very naive about power differentials or you have been in such a relationship yourself and feel it was true love. Feelings are not the issue. Authority figures having sexual relationships with people under their authority is the issue. The dean should have kept her mitts off the undergrad, feelings or not, even if the student was hot for her. End of story. Your excuse-making, which I'm sure you see as mature and subtle thinking, only comes off here as grotesque.

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After reading the essay, it seems like two equally awful people found each other. This is what compelled the author of the essay to confess to her long-term boyfriend that she was cheating on him with the dean- " I started to imagine a life with him, and I fantasized about the lifestyle afforded by someone with his job in tech...Thinking my confession would lead to a swell of strings in a climactic scene of profound connection and self-actualization, I shared my secret...He sobbed and wouldn’t touch me."

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Anonymous wrote:On her Instagram, JLH seems to indicate both she and her husband have come out as queer for Pride Month. That may explain why her husband was okay with the affair.

Trying to soften the blow that this news about the affair is going to have. By hijacking Pride to come out, so she can distract people with that, and maybe at the same time, portray herself as a noble advocate and not a predatory older authority figure. Disgusting.

Anonymous wrote:On her Instagram, JLH seems to indicate both she and her husband have come out as queer for Pride Month. That may explain why her husband was okay with the affair.

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Anonymous wrote:1000% wrong for this dean no question.

However, it also struck me as sad that this student's perception of the relationship was another manipulation by her parents to reframe what had included positive experiences into one that was labeled as only manipulation and abuse. I wish her parents had handled her own mental health better in this situation. There were ways to identify the Dean's action as fully inappropriate behavior (thus there is school policy against it) without leading Haas to being fully embarrassed and led to reframe the relationship so that she now feels that nothing was real and it was all manipulation and abuse. It sounds to me like they both genuinely had feelings. Sure, they both need to come to terms with it and the Dean is responsible for acting on those feelings and for all of the pain it caused the student. But, parents were rightfully upset and it was right for the Dean to be fired and held accountable....so I can understand their actions too.

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I'm saying I feel bad for Haas also because her parents took no care in their response to consider how their view of this relationship would damage her psyche. Haas was not feeling harmed or used when she ended the relationship. She ended it because she had moved onto another relationship.

Anonymous wrote:On her Instagram, JLH seems to indicate both she and her husband have come out as queer for Pride Month. That may explain why her husband was okay with the affair.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They handled that in a very mature manner.

Right, this type of thing had gone on since time immemorial in academia. It sounds like when the affair I occurred , the student was 22 and the school had no policy against it.

I was asked out by my professor at the U of Michigan, in grad school. And when I was at Johns Hopkins, a married department chair started an affair with a student he was supervising . It was wrong, but absolutely known by the whole department.

I am happy that such situations have been officially banned now, in some universities . But that is a recent development and people are naive if they did know how common (and condoned) this has been historically.

(For shocked posters, read up on Emmanuel Macron’s marriage!)

It’s discouraged but I don’t think it’s universally banned nor should it be. Some of these relationships end happily in long term relationships. As long as the dynamic is not coercive and there is no harassment, I don’t see the problem. It seems wrong to dictate to grown adults who they can and can’t fall in love with.