Anonymous
04/26/2024 11:36
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Anonymous wrote:“ Based on national average statistics, most children educated in a British style are a year or more ahead of their US counterparts in math and language. ”
https://www.nordangliaeducation.com/nais-new-york/news/2020/10/29/british-school-system-vs-american
+1. PPs aren't considering the differences between the British and American educational systems. In the UK, a child turning 8 in August would be in Year 3, which is the first year of key stage 2, where they move beyond foundational instruction in phonics and math. Not only does the British system start a year earlier, but it also moves MUCH faster in the early years. If he's a little behind in the US, he'll be much more behind in the UK system. If I were OP, I'd see if he could get an independent assessment and see where he is academically for the UK before deciding to put him in Year 4 next year.
Anonymous
04/26/2024 11:25
Subject: Re:Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Anonymous wrote:Were you or the other parent of the child late bloomers? How are they socially and size wise?
I have two kids. Both summer birthdays. One is academically advanced, like 2 grades ahead. The other is just above average. Both are late bloomers, even with the summer birthday. They were also on the smaller side all through ES to 15 yrs old when they finally hit puberty and had a growth spurt.
We did not redshirt either children, but from a social/emotional/physical perspective, I think redshirting would've been beneficial for both.
Academically, the advanced DC would absolutely not have benefited from redshirting. They were already so far ahead; if we had redshirted them, they'd have been even more bored at school.
In hindsight, we should've redshirted the other child who has an August birthday. They were fine academically, but they lagged behind everywhere else, and it impacted their school experience.
I never thought about how the possibility of being a late bloomer would impact them. Both my spouse and I were late bloomers; my spouse was held back a year when they moved (spouse is actually British); I was not. Academically, I was fine, did really well, but I was small for my age, and it was difficult emotionally and socially.
It's hard to know how your kids will be when they are older, but if there is a chance that your child will hit puberty later, and they don't need advanced academics right now, I would seriously think about holding them back.
Op here. He is very large for his age which is why we did not redshirt (one of the reasons anyway). DH and I are both over 6 ft.
I was extremely advanced academically throughout school. Like I took the SAT when I was 9, skipped multiple grades, and graduated college as a teen. DH was a super late bloomer academically and never bloomed socially lol.
I’ll admit I kind of thought DS was going to be super smart but most evidence points to him being very average. The only indicator that he might be above average is he does have a high EQ and ability to read people/empathize which his 1st and 2nd grade teachers pointed out and said is unusual. But IQ tests have shown him as very average.
Anonymous
04/26/2024 10:54
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait…your kid is currently in a school in the US and he is NOT being tested on his ability to read in English , but in then “immersion” language?
Sorry, but that is stupid and why would you be ok with this?
Op here. It’s an immersion school. Public. The research they have shared with us is that by the end of elementary, they will be reading in both languages on grade level. The skill set reading in the target language transfers to English.
In our state they do the standardized tests in the target language.
It’s a public school. They aren’t required to do standardized tests of core subjects in English?
Not OP but this is how full immersion schools work. A lot of them are 100% the foreign language until 2nd or 3rd grade. He is not at a grade yet where they do standardized testing. They start adding in English when they do the standardized testing and yes kids are generally slowed to catch up with english reading/writing. It is just something you make peace with if you want immersion for your kid.
My friend's kid is at 100% French immersion school (not in teh area). She is in 2nd and essentially fluent in french (she can read, write, and speak it). She will start learning to read in English next year.
Anonymous
04/26/2024 10:26
Subject: Re:Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Were you or the other parent of the child late bloomers? How are they socially and size wise?
I have two kids. Both summer birthdays. One is academically advanced, like 2 grades ahead. The other is just above average. Both are late bloomers, even with the summer birthday. They were also on the smaller side all through ES to 15 yrs old when they finally hit puberty and had a growth spurt.
We did not redshirt either children, but from a social/emotional/physical perspective, I think redshirting would've been beneficial for both.
Academically, the advanced DC would absolutely not have benefited from redshirting. They were already so far ahead; if we had redshirted them, they'd have been even more bored at school.
In hindsight, we should've redshirted the other child who has an August birthday. They were fine academically, but they lagged behind everywhere else, and it impacted their school experience.
I never thought about how the possibility of being a late bloomer would impact them. Both my spouse and I were late bloomers; my spouse was held back a year when they moved (spouse is actually British); I was not. Academically, I was fine, did really well, but I was small for my age, and it was difficult emotionally and socially.
It's hard to know how your kids will be when they are older, but if there is a chance that your child will hit puberty later, and they don't need advanced academics right now, I would seriously think about holding them back.
I have two kids. Both summer birthdays. One is academically advanced, like 2 grades ahead. The other is just above average. Both are late bloomers, even with the summer birthday. They were also on the smaller side all through ES to 15 yrs old when they finally hit puberty and had a growth spurt.
We did not redshirt either children, but from a social/emotional/physical perspective, I think redshirting would've been beneficial for both.
Academically, the advanced DC would absolutely not have benefited from redshirting. They were already so far ahead; if we had redshirted them, they'd have been even more bored at school.
In hindsight, we should've redshirted the other child who has an August birthday. They were fine academically, but they lagged behind everywhere else, and it impacted their school experience.
I never thought about how the possibility of being a late bloomer would impact them. Both my spouse and I were late bloomers; my spouse was held back a year when they moved (spouse is actually British); I was not. Academically, I was fine, did really well, but I was small for my age, and it was difficult emotionally and socially.
It's hard to know how your kids will be when they are older, but if there is a chance that your child will hit puberty later, and they don't need advanced academics right now, I would seriously think about holding them back.
Anonymous
04/26/2024 10:15
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Indian?
Anonymous
04/26/2024 09:58
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
NO!
Anonymous
04/26/2024 09:12
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
I'd ask the school where you're moving to place him appropriately for his age and skill level. Bring work samples.
Anonymous
04/26/2024 08:48
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
“ Based on national average statistics, most children educated in a British style are a year or more ahead of their US counterparts in math and language. ”
https://www.nordangliaeducation.com/nais-new-york/news/2020/10/29/british-school-system-vs-american
https://www.nordangliaeducation.com/nais-new-york/news/2020/10/29/british-school-system-vs-american
Anonymous
04/26/2024 01:53
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Anonymous wrote:To answer your question OP, I wouldn't. Then your kid would be 18 months younger than everyone else?? That's just a lot. So no.
Op here. I’m sorry what do you mean? He is currently the youngest in his class by up to a year. If we held him back a year he’d be, at most, a month or two older than the oldest kid in the class (assuming no redshirting).
Anonymous
04/25/2024 23:16
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
I would not hold back
Anonymous
04/25/2024 23:16
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
We have two summer kids and when we moved we “reclassed” the older quieter one with the adhd diagnosis. It was good for her confidence and she tested in to the gifted and talented program later that school year.
Our other child is super bright and no adhd, and she’s still the youngest in her grade and that’s not ideal as we’re in a sporty area with strong school programs so being older helps. She also is always on the cusp of testing in well to g&T programs but never has yet. She’s 6-18 months younger than her peers.
We’ll go for a gap year before college or maybe have to switch to private school and consider reclassing then.
op should repeat a grade with the move to UK. They start k at age 4 though, fyi.
Our other child is super bright and no adhd, and she’s still the youngest in her grade and that’s not ideal as we’re in a sporty area with strong school programs so being older helps. She also is always on the cusp of testing in well to g&T programs but never has yet. She’s 6-18 months younger than her peers.
We’ll go for a gap year before college or maybe have to switch to private school and consider reclassing then.
op should repeat a grade with the move to UK. They start k at age 4 though, fyi.
Anonymous
04/25/2024 22:32
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Can you ask the UK school about the curriculum? Perhaps some example work like in the link below?
https://www.newtonprimary.co.uk/learning-pack-3-summer-term/
And, as someone mentioned, he will need to learn cursive.
https://www.newtonprimary.co.uk/learning-pack-3-summer-term/
And, as someone mentioned, he will need to learn cursive.
Anonymous
04/25/2024 22:14
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
When is the cutoff in the UK? I would absolutely redshirt and August birthday (did with my DD born 5 days before cutoff), but only because cutoff is September. In other countries cutoff is December. In that case, your son would be 15-16 months older than some of the other kids… I don’t think I would do that.
Anonymous
04/25/2024 21:21
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
To answer your question OP, I wouldn't. Then your kid would be 18 months younger than everyone else?? That's just a lot. So no.
Anonymous
04/25/2024 21:20
Subject: Would you hold child back a grade in this situation?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait…your kid is currently in a school in the US and he is NOT being tested on his ability to read in English , but in then “immersion” language?
Sorry, but that is stupid and why would you be ok with this?
Op here. It’s an immersion school. Public. The research they have shared with us is that by the end of elementary, they will be reading in both languages on grade level. The skill set reading in the target language transfers to English.
In our state they do the standardized tests in the target language.
It’s a public school. They aren’t required to do standardized tests of core subjects in English?
Once again, no. You can test math in the immersion language, and reading, and writing.