Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:59     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284



Yeah, but this is always misleading. As an example, I believe less than 1/2 of UPenn engineering grads actually work in engineering. The rest work for hedge funds, consulting, Ibanking, VC, etc.

I assume Harvard and many of these other schools are the same/similar.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:57     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:06     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised to learn that some schools I hear great things have virtually nonexistent or weak engineering programs- BC, Wash U, UNC. Trying to get a sense of other schools in the top 20-50 range.


I would avoid the schools that have relatively recently developed (as compared to the established engineering programs) engineering programs, OP. Since you asked.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:04     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
If you go to an Ivy League school, you are signing up for a liberal arts education.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:41     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.


+1 The first list (https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings) provides the best information, given that it is based on research activity, faculty resources, academic achievements of entering students, and assessments by other engineering schools and employers.

The undergrad list is only based on peer assessment reviews. WTH?
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:39     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:BC isn't weak in engineering. Just stop. This has to a BU or NEU troll.


WTF
BC just started an engineering department
It's not just weak. It's shit.

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:32     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:24     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


Yale may be weak, but this is where massive endowments can move the needle relatively quickly.

Yale is investing tons of $$$s into their STEM programs. It takes time, but they recognize the issue and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is highly rated within a decade.

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:16     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.
MIT was also a land grant institution.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:13     Subject: Re:Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
^ according to USNWR, but UMass has many strong specialty programs.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:10     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale
Harvard
Brown
UNC
UVA
BU
Notre Dame
Wash U
Dartmouth
NYU
U Chicago
Vandy
Emory
Tufts





All weak


Brown Tufts, BU and Dartmouth have strong ENGR programs. Yale is on the rise. I don't think U Chicago actually has engineering unless you count relationship w/ molecular ENGR. So, to put all these schools together on a list and say "week" just belies your lack of knowledge of the various schools.
OK Dartmouth is on par UMass.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:07     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale
Harvard
Brown
UNC
UVA
BU
Notre Dame
Wash U
Dartmouth
NYU
U Chicago
Vandy
Emory
Tufts





All weak


Brown Tufts, BU and Dartmouth have strong ENGR programs. Yale is on the rise. I don't think U Chicago actually has engineering unless you count relationship w/ molecular ENGR. So, to put all these schools together on a list and say "weak" just belies your lack of knowledge of the various schools.


Actually, engineering at these schools is not thought to be at the top according to peer assessments.

The rating of these schools demonstrates this fact.

Brown - 37
Yale - 37
Tufts - 61
BU - 46
Dartmouth - 53
NYU - 61

Texas A&M, Arizona State, and UC-Boulder have better engineering programs than the entire list.


Dartmouth is not good for undergrad engineering. The only ABET accredited program they have is "general engineering"
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:06     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Engineering = vocational training through the use of a standardized curriculum. Any one is as good as any other except for the top two. CS is a very different matter.


There was a time SV would take any engineer trained brain. Still the case?
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 07:46     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale
Harvard
Brown
UNC
UVA
BU
Notre Dame
Wash U
Dartmouth
NYU
U Chicago
Vandy
Emory
Tufts





All weak


Brown Tufts, BU and Dartmouth have strong ENGR programs. Yale is on the rise. I don't think U Chicago actually has engineering unless you count relationship w/ molecular ENGR. So, to put all these schools together on a list and say "weak" just belies your lack of knowledge of the various schools.


Actually, engineering at these schools is not thought to be at the top according to peer assessments.

The rating of these schools demonstrates this fact.

Brown - 37
Yale - 37
Tufts - 61
BU - 46
Dartmouth - 53
NYU - 61

Texas A&M, Arizona State, and UC-Boulder have better engineering programs than the entire list.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2024 23:11     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale
Harvard
Brown
UNC
UVA
BU
Notre Dame
Wash U
Dartmouth
NYU
U Chicago
Vandy
Emory
Tufts





All weak


Brown Tufts, BU and Dartmouth have strong ENGR programs. Yale is on the rise. I don't think U Chicago actually has engineering unless you count relationship w/ molecular ENGR. So, to put all these schools together on a list and say "weak" just belies your lack of knowledge of the various schools.