Anonymous wrote:I’d love to do a case study on Jen Hatmaker’s “friends.”

Get ready; learned from her YouTube upload that Tyler’s leaving and next her daughters and maybe after that her friends arrive. Or, perhaps the friends have already been there.

How long is this camp at Grand Marais?

I guaran-damn-tee that none of these so-called friends have known Jen longer than 5 years. This is how the narcissistic social media stars work; they court followers and friends.

Here’s the likely friend trajectory; follow/subscribe/like every single post of Star, leave lengthy, fawning comments with your real name attached.

Keep inviting Star to your fabulous X; country club, event, vacation home with bonus points of while going to such an event, Star can be Featured Special Guest Speaker. Post photos of yourself in the audience/at event with Star, “here we are at Grand Marais!”

Once you’ve hooked the Star, pull out all of the stops! Know a limo driver? Hairstylist? Own a trendy clothing store? Offer all services free to Star to “assist” her while at the event. I mean, you’re not going to do her hair for her and then NOT be invited, right? C’mon you can think of something - dig deep.

Act like a groupie and attend every event Star goes to (and I mean every single thing); next thing you know, you will be INVITED to Star’s Charity Event…so what if you have to pay?
While at event you’ll be assigned a very special and important task like handing Star sharpies as she signs her merch. Star won’t bother to thank you but you will get to go to the exclusive friends-only gathering post event.

You have to buy your own matchy matchy clothes. Star will insist upon this. All will get progressively more expensive.

And the huge group of friends? Yeah, you don’t know each other. Also, you have to be extremely photogenic or you won’t make the cut.

Actually, she’s had her tight knit group of friends for a very long time. None of what you posted actually applies to most of her friendships. I’m sure it does apply to other people at times, but you missed the mark on this one.

Her whole possy of friends makes me think of Kelle Hampton and party at the hospital when Nella was born. It was so over the top and staged. Then in her book she brags about the posse and again over the top. She seems to be only still friends with one of them. I have a number of friends, but I don't brag about them or post photos on social media. I haven't wanted to impress people with my possy since I was 17 and I realize how obnoxious it was.

Having such a social media presence is a way to keep that possy in it's place, because nobody wants to be the friend who wasn't there for the star and have that blasted into cyberspace.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know why some of my posts go thru but some say forbidden by server?

You are probably using a banned word in your post

I’d love to do a case study on Jen Hatmaker’s “friends.”

Get ready; learned from her YouTube upload that Tyler’s leaving and next her daughters and maybe after that her friends arrive. Or, perhaps the friends have already been there.

How long is this camp at Grand Marais?

I guaran-damn-tee that none of these so-called friends have known Jen longer than 5 years. This is how the narcissistic social media stars work; they court followers and friends.

Here’s the likely friend trajectory; follow/subscribe/like every single post of Star, leave lengthy, fawning comments with your real name attached.

Keep inviting Star to your fabulous X; country club, event, vacation home with bonus points of while going to such an event, Star can be Featured Special Guest Speaker. Post photos of yourself in the audience/at event with Star, “here we are at Grand Marais!”

Once you’ve hooked the Star, pull out all of the stops! Know a limo driver? Hairstylist? Own a trendy clothing store? Offer all services free to Star to “assist” her while at the event. I mean, you’re not going to do her hair for her and then NOT be invited, right? C’mon you can think of something - dig deep.

Act like a groupie and attend every event Star goes to (and I mean every single thing); next thing you know, you will be INVITED to Star’s Charity Event…so what if you have to pay?
While at event you’ll be assigned a very special and important task like handing Star sharpies as she signs her merch. Star won’t bother to thank you but you will get to go to the exclusive friends-only gathering post event.

You have to buy your own matchy matchy clothes. Star will insist upon this. All will get progressively more expensive.

And the huge group of friends? Yeah, you don’t know each other. Also, you have to be extremely photogenic or you won’t make the cut.

Anyone know why some of my posts go thru but some say forbidden by server?

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Agreed it is a fascinating case study on the influence of internet fame on a person of faith. Even this thread has been a source of interesting insights on human nature.
Someday there will be anthropological studies done on this time in the early days of global internet use. It’s completely transformed our lives and in many ways we don’t yet have full grasp on how far reaching these changes have been. Time will tell. It appears to have negatively affected Jen Hatmaker, exasperating her character flaws and diminishing her true beauty.

I think the thing about narcissists and friends is that a narcissist can be super charming and fun to be around...as long as you are on their good side or they need you for something. That's why spouses married to a narcissist often haven difficulty convincing other people that they are being abused either physically or emotionally, because all the other people see is the charming side. It also makes it hard for the spouse to leave because they question their perception of reality.

I've been friends with people who while perhaps not full blown narcissists have definitely had those traits. And when it's fun, it's really fun. You feel like you are part of a special inner circle. It changes you and you don't even notice you are changing. I was lucky, my narcissist moved away and I've been cleaning up the aftermath for several years now as I try to remember who I am without them.

And I'm not saying that Jen is a full blown narcissist. I'm not qualified to make that diagnosis. But she has some of the traits, so I think that some of the same relational dynamics apply. To some degree in order to be a public figure like Jen you almost HAVE to have a bit of the narcissist in you, because you have to believe that the world is waiting to hear what you have to say. I think it takes an incredible balancing act to be in that space and maintain a healthy, balanced view of yourself. I'm pretty sure it takes more than a BetterHelp therapist.

(And I think ultimately that's why this board interests me. Because human nature is fascinating and yes, I geek out on analyzing the hows and whys of the ways people act. And Jen makes a great case study because we've got years of info on her that she has put into the public realm all on her own, and it's interesting to see the evolution of Jen over the span of the years, from Christian mommy blogger and pastor's wife to shiller of multiple products and wanna be social media influencer.)

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Anonymous wrote:🙌🏻100%

We all know kids will be kids and make poor judgement calls sometimes. That’s how we all learned. The concern is over a woman marketing parenting me-courses who doesn’t recognize her own complicity in this behavior. This same adult child later gets a dui as he still thinks the rules don’t apply to him. It’s heartbreaking for him to lose his dream of being in the military because of youthful indiscretion. Albeit one that could have killed or permanently damaged himself and/or others. He’s learning some very adult lessons. In the real world there are hard consequences for our poor choices.
So far Jen’s consequences have been after years of aiding and abetting an addict husband he divorces her and is now happily engaged to another. She’s lost her church, the bulk of her Bible loving followers, her self respect with the shilling, and our respect with her narcissistic predatory behavior. Really she’s lost her moral core, foundational mooring and she’s blowing in the wind following the latest influencer trends. It’s sad and largely unnecessary, but those rules/values she sees as only suggestions, wholly open to negotiation, would have been protective if embraced.

My husband is in the military. 2 DUIs. I dont care about whatever else you're saying but DUIs definitely dont stop someone from joining the military LOL! In fact, I think the majority of his buddies have em too. Not something to be proud of but yall just dont care about facts for some reason. Also, Brandon looks happy and Jen looks.. manic? I feel like thats a more appropriate and more interesting topic right??? I wanna talk about that more haha

2 Dui's? I hope your husband is getting help

Can’t join the military if you’ve ever taken antidepressants but get wasted and get behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle? No big whoop, sign here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:🙌🏻100%

We all know kids will be kids and make poor judgement calls sometimes. That’s how we all learned. The concern is over a woman marketing parenting me-courses who doesn’t recognize her own complicity in this behavior. This same adult child later gets a dui as he still thinks the rules don’t apply to him. It’s heartbreaking for him to lose his dream of being in the military because of youthful indiscretion. Albeit one that could have killed or permanently damaged himself and/or others. He’s learning some very adult lessons. In the real world there are hard consequences for our poor choices.
So far Jen’s consequences have been after years of aiding and abetting an addict husband he divorces her and is now happily engaged to another. She’s lost her church, the bulk of her Bible loving followers, her self respect with the shilling, and our respect with her narcissistic predatory behavior. Really she’s lost her moral core, foundational mooring and she’s blowing in the wind following the latest influencer trends. It’s sad and largely unnecessary, but those rules/values she sees as only suggestions, wholly open to negotiation, would have been protective if embraced.

My husband is in the military. 2 DUIs. I dont care about whatever else you're saying but DUIs definitely dont stop someone from joining the military LOL! In fact, I think the majority of his buddies have em too. Not something to be proud of but yall just dont care about facts for some reason. Also, Brandon looks happy and Jen looks.. manic? I feel like thats a more appropriate and more interesting topic right??? I wanna talk about that more haha

2 Dui's? I hope your husband is getting help

I can still see his post. I don’t. Get the engagement ring buzz though..she’s been wearing that ring since December….I don’t get it…she said she had the ring but wasn’t engaged the . Who gives an engagement ring and waits 6 months to propose?

I follow both on IG and can see and access both pages. Brandon posted the engagement pic twice one with caption the other as the first frame of a reel. No caption.

Found this DCUM thread s few days ago. Something about tyler led me to search and see if anyone was discussing this update to the Hatmaker divorce. I gotta say it has been an interesting read. Some stuff is just batcrap cuckoo. Other stuff I think is reading too much into things but um some parts are interesting I’ll say that.

It’s weird cause early this morning I saw his engagement post, with the long caption about how he’s never laughed so much in his life. It was a sweet tribute to his bride to be. Now I can l’t see anything cause it’s private. Feels like he decided to shut it down after some kind of friction somewhere. Perhaps Jen’s posse of defenders came out in force like we’ve seen here?

Anonymous wrote:I used to follow Jen on Instagram, and I can see her page. Brandon’s engagement post is still there.

There’s a thing called shadow banning:
“Shadow banning is the practice of blocking or partially blocking a user or their content from some areas of an online community in such a way that it will not be readily apparent to the user that they have been banned.”

Typically if it happens on Instagram it’s because the account violated terms.

Might explain why some non followers can still see her account and some can’t.