Anonymous
07/11/2023 05:40
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not acceptable, period.
It’s not acceptable to Human Rights Watch:
“New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.
“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”
Can you remember when Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International were legitimate organizations?
Yes, it's a long time ago.
Ukraine wil use cluster munitions to help clear Russian occupied trenches in Ukrainian territory. Unlike the Russians, who were using them on civilians in Kherson and elsewhere
The false equivalency is ridiculous
Lol they are only legitimate to you if they blame the right people.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 04:33
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:
It's just ridiculous we're at the cluster bomb stage when we could have bypassed all that by giving them air supremacy in the first place.
Ukrainians are forced to thank NATO and friendly countries for all their (very significant) help, but no one gave them fighter jets last year.
It's just mind-boggling the misplaced priorities here that end up costing lives and money.
Both side's air defenses are strong. The Russians haven't really risked their fighter planes at scale either because of the inevitable result. Supplying Ukraine with fighter jets would not have meaningfully tipped the scales.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 23:06
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not acceptable, period.
It’s not acceptable to Human Rights Watch:
“New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.
“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”
Can you remember when Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International were legitimate organizations?
Yes, it's a long time ago.
Ukraine wil use cluster munitions to help clear Russian occupied trenches in Ukrainian territory. Unlike the Russians, who were using them on civilians in Kherson and elsewhere
The false equivalency is ridiculous
I don't think they consider the people in Eastern Ukraine to be Ukrainians, and so don't care too much if they get hurt.;
Anonymous
07/10/2023 22:06
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
It's just ridiculous we're at the cluster bomb stage when we could have bypassed all that by giving them air supremacy in the first place.
Ukrainians are forced to thank NATO and friendly countries for all their (very significant) help, but no one gave them fighter jets last year.
It's just mind-boggling the misplaced priorities here that end up costing lives and money.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 21:03
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:It’s not acceptable, period.
It’s not acceptable to Human Rights Watch:
“New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.
“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”
Can you remember when Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International were legitimate organizations?
Yes, it's a long time ago.
Ukraine wil use cluster munitions to help clear Russian occupied trenches in Ukrainian territory. Unlike the Russians, who were using them on civilians in Kherson and elsewhere
The false equivalency is ridiculous
Anonymous
07/10/2023 19:56
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
It’s not acceptable, period.
It’s not acceptable to Human Rights Watch:
“New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.
“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”
It’s not acceptable to Human Rights Watch:
“New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate weapons, and no country should supply cluster munitions because of their foreseeable danger to civilians.
“Cluster munitions used by Russia and Ukraine are killing civilians now and will continue to do so for many years,” said Mary Wareham, acting arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Both sides should immediately stop using them and not try to get more of these indiscriminate weapons.”
Anonymous
07/10/2023 15:43
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Putin has successfully managed to get Finland and Sweden into NATO with Ukraine on deck.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:28
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All cluster bombs are are a bunch of grenade like bombs. When you drop a bunch at once of mini timed cheap explosives you have some that do not go off.
No big deal.
It’s not like Ukraine is kidnapping children en masse or copping off prisoners of war heads.
That is all ISIS and Russians.
I personally would prefer napalm. E dropped on the trenches but Ukraine does not have the aircraft for that (yet).
Napalm is way more terrifying, and one of the worst ways known to die.
Then you should not prefer napalm. You should push for NATO to offer air supremacy to Ukraine - modern military advantages that will shorten the war and save lives.
Go away, all you horrible torturers with your banned weaponry. By the way, Europe wanted to send jets to Ukraine months ago, and is against cluster munitions. The only moron here is the US, who stalled the jet fighter process and now wants to send inhumane weapons to the front line to "make-up" for it.
Just because Russia started this stupid war, and has committed atrocities, it should not mean we have to stoop to their level when we have other means at our disposal.
This is so frustrating and irritating.
- European
Um - the ONLY country on earth where Ukraine plans to use cluster munitions is: within its own borders. And Russia is already indiscriminately using their rotten 40% dud-rate cluster munitions in its unprovoked war against a peaceful neighbor.
Shouldn’t Ukraine be give the means to free itself from Russian tyranny?
And don’t give me this “European” crap. My family lives in Europe; I want a peaceful future for my family there, which is why I am with Biden in supporting this war.
Peaceful European coexistence with Putin is not possible; I feel sorry for you if you are too blind to see that obvious truth.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 11:36
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
So what you’re saying is that if Ukrainians are ok with hurting their own civilians, then who are you to interfere?
Ok.
Ok.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 10:59
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
I support cluster munitions for Ukraine.
The concern is the bomblets that don’t explode, possibly hurting civilians later. But Ukraine would be using these on their own territory (unlike Russia who is using them on foreign soil). I believe this distinction is key as they are not being deployed by a foreign aggressor but in defense in their own territory.
The concern is the bomblets that don’t explode, possibly hurting civilians later. But Ukraine would be using these on their own territory (unlike Russia who is using them on foreign soil). I believe this distinction is key as they are not being deployed by a foreign aggressor but in defense in their own territory.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 10:47
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Meanwhile antimony is a key component used in making ammunitions and China controls the majority of this mineral.
Anonymous
07/09/2023 22:59
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All cluster bombs are are a bunch of grenade like bombs. When you drop a bunch at once of mini timed cheap explosives you have some that do not go off.
No big deal.
It’s not like Ukraine is kidnapping children en masse or copping off prisoners of war heads.
That is all ISIS and Russians.
I personally would prefer napalm. E dropped on the trenches but Ukraine does not have the aircraft for that (yet).
Napalm is way more terrifying, and one of the worst ways known to die.
Then you should not prefer napalm. You should push for NATO to offer air supremacy to Ukraine - modern military advantages that will shorten the war and save lives.
Go away, all you horrible torturers with your banned weaponry. By the way, Europe wanted to send jets to Ukraine months ago, and is against cluster munitions. The only moron here is the US, who stalled the jet fighter process and now wants to send inhumane weapons to the front line to "make-up" for it.
Just because Russia started this stupid war, and has committed atrocities, it should not mean we have to stoop to their level when we have other means at our disposal.
This is so frustrating and irritating.
- European
Very noble of you “-European”.
Europe is the god of war - for Thousands of years.
Totally enjoying our view from the cheap seats in North America as you repeat your destiny of war.
America post world war 2 became the most efficient killing machine ever on earth; pre 1940 we just killed locals on our continent.
Happy for us to phase back to behind the scenes diplomacy and watch Ukrainians kills Russians at 2 or 3 to 1.
Really do not care if it is France fighting russians- will give them weapons too - just as long as American blood is not back on European soil it is a a good deal for us.
Been there; done that - and here we are with another European war.
Anonymous
07/09/2023 19:56
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All cluster bombs are are a bunch of grenade like bombs. When you drop a bunch at once of mini timed cheap explosives you have some that do not go off.
No big deal.
It’s not like Ukraine is kidnapping children en masse or copping off prisoners of war heads.
That is all ISIS and Russians.
I personally would prefer napalm. E dropped on the trenches but Ukraine does not have the aircraft for that (yet).
Napalm is way more terrifying, and one of the worst ways known to die.
Then you should not prefer napalm. You should push for NATO to offer air supremacy to Ukraine - modern military advantages that will shorten the war and save lives.
Go away, all you horrible torturers with your banned weaponry. By the way, Europe wanted to send jets to Ukraine months ago, and is against cluster munitions. The only moron here is the US, who stalled the jet fighter process and now wants to send inhumane weapons to the front line to "make-up" for it.
Just because Russia started this stupid war, and has committed atrocities, it should not mean we have to stoop to their level when we have other means at our disposal.
This is so frustrating and irritating.
- European
Why don’t you send your Saab gripens and dassault rafale or eurofoghter typhoons then?
No one is stopping european countries in giving Ukraine airframes
Gripens would have been great for Ukraine. The problem is there aren’t enough of them. And creating a supply chain to keep them flying in a war setting would have been impossible.
There are more than 4500 F-16s around the world. Much easier to find the aircraft and keep them flying. Hopefully they’ll be in service by the end of the year
Regarding objections to cluster munitions, what exactly would you have Ukrainians do? They are clearing each Russian trench and getting wrecked. It’s brutal fighting. It’s exactly what cluster munitions were designed for. They won’t be used on Russian villages. Just Russian invaders. See no problem here
I don’t disagree with sending cluster munitions
Who’s fault is it that none of the euro airframes have the supply chain to keep them flying?
Maybe you should be investing 5-10% in your defense industrial base instead of health care and public transportation
Anonymous
07/09/2023 19:11
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for this to end..I thought it was inevitable.
It’s not ideal for it to end
Biden is managing this perfectly
Keep it simmering for years on end as long as Zelenskyy is willing to expend gentile Ukrainians to grind Russia down
!
Anonymous
07/09/2023 16:03
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All cluster bombs are are a bunch of grenade like bombs. When you drop a bunch at once of mini timed cheap explosives you have some that do not go off.
No big deal.
It’s not like Ukraine is kidnapping children en masse or copping off prisoners of war heads.
That is all ISIS and Russians.
I personally would prefer napalm. E dropped on the trenches but Ukraine does not have the aircraft for that (yet).
Napalm is way more terrifying, and one of the worst ways known to die.
Then you should not prefer napalm. You should push for NATO to offer air supremacy to Ukraine - modern military advantages that will shorten the war and save lives.
Go away, all you horrible torturers with your banned weaponry. By the way, Europe wanted to send jets to Ukraine months ago, and is against cluster munitions. The only moron here is the US, who stalled the jet fighter process and now wants to send inhumane weapons to the front line to "make-up" for it.
Just because Russia started this stupid war, and has committed atrocities, it should not mean we have to stoop to their level when we have other means at our disposal.
This is so frustrating and irritating.
- European
Why don’t you send your Saab gripens and dassault rafale or eurofoghter typhoons then?
No one is stopping european countries in giving Ukraine airframes
Gripens would have been great for Ukraine. The problem is there aren’t enough of them. And creating a supply chain to keep them flying in a war setting would have been impossible.
There are more than 4500 F-16s around the world. Much easier to find the aircraft and keep them flying. Hopefully they’ll be in service by the end of the year
Regarding objections to cluster munitions, what exactly would you have Ukrainians do? They are clearing each Russian trench and getting wrecked. It’s brutal fighting. It’s exactly what cluster munitions were designed for. They won’t be used on Russian villages. Just Russian invaders. See no problem here