Anonymous wrote:People committing suicide keep that as their greatest secret. Almost always a terrible surprise.

Don’t waste time trying to explain. People can’t fathom someone with a renovated house, successful husband, baby and a dog might be living in misery and despise every aspect of her life. Perhaps because they strive for the same life, a life they perceive as perfect.

Better to pretend they snorted algae or fatigue from carrying an exhausted dog in the heat killed them.

Ignore the fact they lived at the trailhead and knew no one else was using the trail ensuring them complete privacy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/202004/how-many-people-who-die-suicide-first-kill-their-pets

There’s a term for killing a pet before suicide.

Anonymous wrote:People committing suicide keep that as their greatest secret. Almost always a terrible surprise.

They sure don’t sit around Sunday brunch discussing plans.
Just because she had a renovated home does not imply she was happy with life. Seems to me a lot of people are basing their opinions on John’s financial success and operating under the assumption all was perfect when it was probably not.
Public records of real estate holdings show heavily mortgaged properties.
I’m going to do a deep search and see how many other people in Mariposa area died that day. Despite high temperatures I’m confident others went outside.
A post I read on another site made a lot of sense. Commit M/S in the woods to avoid neighbors dropping by and perhaps summoning help just in time or administering narcan. Burning man mantra “leave no trace.”

Anonymous wrote:Why are there all these posts blaming Ellen? They were all clearly overcome by some outside agent. You really think she'd kill the dog too? Seriously people...

Absolutely she would kill her dog, she would not leave him to grieve for her. Read up on celebrities that take their own life and that of their dog.

Why are there all these posts blaming Ellen? They were all clearly overcome by some outside agent. You really think she'd kill the dog too? Seriously people...

People committing suicide keep that as their greatest secret. Almost always a terrible surprise.

Anonymous wrote:I see posts about Ellen possibly being unhappy. Sounds reasonable to me. No more job, swanky loft life, travels, bars, burning fests, now a baby, living in a remote area with little socialization. John was purchasing Mariposa way before meeting Ellen. Therefore he might have preferred living there.
For me to believe Ellen liked Mariposa, she’d have to convince me. I think it would have been incredibly lonely for her to live there. In SanFran she could see friends easily, just using the amenities their condo offered would allow socialization. Wonder if she had severe postpartum?

Where do you see posts about Ellen being unhappy?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

What was awful about her IG posts? How did you even read them if they’re locked?

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I didn’t see anything awful in her IG posts. I looked through it before the family or FBI or whomever closed the account. Her posts were about travel, friends, loved ones. Nothing unusual or awful. Not saying she couldn’t have done FA, but I didn’t get that vibe from her IG.

Yes, same. She quit a job some time ago for health reasons. I don't know if TBI was from the instagram, or where that info came from. They did some pretty unique travel together. Seems like they were in or adjacent to the Burning Man community, but i may have saw this on FB. Nothing unusual, though. Where are you getting this info that something was off with her?

There was a FB post from a yoga studio she taught at. I think there are two, and they describe her TBI and recovery of health.

Oh, i see the TBI one. I still don't get why people are saying she was unhappy or had terrible things posted on her IG or social media. I guess it must be related to the brother's social media, which i have no insight into.

She quit work shortly after meeting John, right? I know nothing of her health.
I don’t understAnd your last sentence? I did see some screengrabs of salacious comments on her IG, they were captured within minutes of it locking down. As far as happiness, that’s subjective. Idk why she’d be unhappy but I also have no reason to believe she was happy.

She quit work in the tech industry 3 years ago after being diagnosed with a “debilitating health condition”. Subsequently, taught yoga and getting a degree in counseling. Not sure when she met Jon. I looked through her Instagram before it was taken down and saw nothing out of the ordinary and no indication of mental health issues. In fact, she looked like she had it all—beautiful family complete with cute baby and adorable dog and plenty of money and newly renovated home. Obviously, this could all be a mirage, but that could be the case for anyone who posts on social. I don’t know what people mean by “salacious” screen shots of comments.

Where’s her brother’s insta? What does that say?

I see posts about Ellen possibly being unhappy. Sounds reasonable to me. No more job, swanky loft life, travels, bars, burning fests, now a baby, living in a remote area with little socialization. John was purchasing Mariposa way before meeting Ellen. Therefore he might have preferred living there.
For me to believe Ellen liked Mariposa, she’d have to convince me. I think it would have been incredibly lonely for her to live there. In SanFran she could see friends easily, just using the amenities their condo offered would allow socialization. Wonder if she had severe postpartum?

I did not look through Ellen/John or their family’s social media. Do we know if their family live near Ellen and John? I thought John’s family live in UK but does Ellen’s family live nearby in California?

Anonymous wrote:Can't small traces of Fentanyl be deadly?

Oh I hope if they planned a suicide and murder of daughter/dog they used a quick acting agent.
Extracting the liquid from a fentanyl patch would do it.
Better than dying from heat I suppose.
The more I think about this case the more I consider it was FA.

Can't small traces of Fentanyl be deadly?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

What was awful about her IG posts? How did you even read them if they’re locked?

Np
I didn’t see anything awful in her IG posts. I looked through it before the family or FBI or whomever closed the account. Her posts were about travel, friends, loved ones. Nothing unusual or awful. Not saying she couldn’t have done FA, but I didn’t get that vibe from her IG.

Yes, same. She quit a job some time ago for health reasons. I don't know if TBI was from the instagram, or where that info came from. They did some pretty unique travel together. Seems like they were in or adjacent to the Burning Man community, but i may have saw this on FB. Nothing unusual, though. Where are you getting this info that something was off with her?

There was a FB post from a yoga studio she taught at. I think there are two, and they describe her TBI and recovery of health.

Oh, i see the TBI one. I still don't get why people are saying she was unhappy or had terrible things posted on her IG or social media. I guess it must be related to the brother's social media, which i have no insight into.

She quit work shortly after meeting John, right? I know nothing of her health.
I don’t understAnd your last sentence? I did see some screengrabs of salacious comments on her IG, they were captured within minutes of it locking down. As far as happiness, that’s subjective. Idk why she’d be unhappy but I also have no reason to believe she was happy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

What was awful about her IG posts? How did you even read them if they’re locked?

Np
I didn’t see anything awful in her IG posts. I looked through it before the family or FBI or whomever closed the account. Her posts were about travel, friends, loved ones. Nothing unusual or awful. Not saying she couldn’t have done FA, but I didn’t get that vibe from her IG.

Yes, same. She quit a job some time ago for health reasons. I don't know if TBI was from the instagram, or where that info came from. They did some pretty unique travel together. Seems like they were in or adjacent to the Burning Man community, but i may have saw this on FB. Nothing unusual, though. Where are you getting this info that something was off with her?

There was a FB post from a yoga studio she taught at. I think there are two, and they describe her TBI and recovery of health.

Oh, i see the TBI one. I still don't get why people are saying she was unhappy or had terrible things posted on her IG or social media. I guess it must be related to the brother's social media, which i have no insight into.

This is fascinating.

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