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Anonymous wrote:He's just plain good.

and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

These kind of people are self-important drama queens. PP was just using it as an opportunity to take a dig at Walz. It’s just an inauthentic post.

Different undecided voter here. People who are concerned about this far left ticket, who also refuse to vote for Trump, will just stay home.

I know it’s just a small subset of us, and the Dems are going after special interest groups with a large number of voters. So basically we are unhoused at the moment.

When the choice is wannabe dictator who already encouraged his followers to attack the Capitol and ANYONE ELSE, why would you not vote for anyone else? So stupid.

This. Goes way beyond policies. He doesn’t believe in democracy and the rule of law. He doesn’t believe in being governed by the constitution. That’s all I need to know. The rest is noise.

See, this is weird to me. He is far more committed to the Constitution than anybody on the left. Why do people always say this?

Is this a joke? The orange felon tried to overturn the constitution on Jan 6.

See, but he didn't. A bunch of weirdos did.

So you only consider a person responsible if they commit the acts themselves? Do tell me why is Charles Manson in jail? After all, he killed no one.

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Anonymous wrote:He's just plain good.

and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

These kind of people are self-important drama queens. PP was just using it as an opportunity to take a dig at Walz. It’s just an inauthentic post.

Different undecided voter here. People who are concerned about this far left ticket, who also refuse to vote for Trump, will just stay home.

I know it’s just a small subset of us, and the Dems are going after special interest groups with a large number of voters. So basically we are unhoused at the moment.

Look, I understand. I'm a RINO that is now a registered Independent. I'm a Bush-41 republican who thinks that Reagan and Bush-41 are spinning in their graves after what Trump has done to the GOP.

The difference is that not only do I refuse to vote for Trump, I refuse to let him worm his way back into office just to pardon himself from his crimes. I disagree with a lot of the DNC platform, but I will vote for Harris-Walz because I refuse to allow him to get back into office and further erode our government. I think the damage that Trump would cause is far worse than anything that Harris can do in one term. The same as Biden, we can recover from the things that Harris can do. We cannot recover from changes that Trump would do.

Examples? Trump would take us out of NATO which would have world-wide repercussions. Such as changes which would allow Putin to continue his imperialistic ways. Putin wants to reconstitue the Soviet Union under the Russian flag. Trump would allow Russia to become the dominant superpower in the world. Trump would continue to make the court system more and more conservative allowing the court system to deny more and more human rights to women and minorities. Returning to the 1950s before the civil rights era is a terrible idea. Women are and would die from the Republican system of denying health care to pregnant women because doctors are afraid of legal percussions should they treat their pregnant patients as their medical training suggests. So they have to choose between their Hippocratic oaths and their legal obligations. Families of LGBTQ parents will get torn apart since Thomas has already said he is targeting Obergefell and more conservative judges on lower courts will push up cases that will test that ruling to the SCOTUS.

Sorry, but I, too, long for a more reasonable Republican party, like we had when we were younger, but that will not happen as long as the MAGA movement have a stranglehold on the GOP. To kill this monster, we need to cut off its head and keeping him from public office is paramount and the first step. The ultra-conservatives have taken over the Republican party and the only way to get them out of power is to keep them from being elected. If they cannot get a candidate elected, then they will lose power and maybe the more reasonable minded can regain power by showing that they can win in a general election.

Well said— I am the poster you are responding to. I appreciate you sharing your perspective— there is a lot to think about.

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this thread, so I haven't read the whole thing. I came looking for a place to ask this. I saw a WSJ article comparing the finances of both VP candidates. It was just another thing about Walz that left me feeling uneasy. How is a man his age so completely incapable of taking care of his family and himself financially? And with that in mind, how could anybody feel good about him being next in line for the presidency (not that the president is actually running the country, as we now know). I ask this sincerely. I am an independent voter who almost always voted Republican until Trump. Sat out the last election. But cannot see myself voting for this Harris/Walz ticket either. I live in DC, so my vote doesn't matter either way. But of course, almost all my friends are Dems, so I don't talk politics outside the home. When others impose their feelings onto me, they seem just blindly to be so excited about Harris/Walz and I truly find it baffling. She just doesn't engender confidence. And believe me, I want a woman president!

I will answer this in good faith. Between Gwen and Tim, they have 4 pensions (army, teacher, teacher, congressman). Between that and social security, their retirement is secure.

For a very long time, they were a dual income teacher/teacher household. You know how much money they make. For a long time, they tried IVF to have children. You know how much that costs. He has put money into his children’s 529 plan. They had a house that they sold when he moved into the governor’s mansion. Until his decision to run for office, the Walz family had a perfectly middle class life.

What he has not done, is to enrich himself while in office. This is not a failure, it’s a good thing. He didn’t sell himself out and make himself beholden to special interests, which means that he could actually work on behalf of his constituents without external pressures. I think we have became so used to corruption in politics that when we see someone who is not, it seems like a bad thing.

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this thread, so I haven't read the whole thing. I came looking for a place to ask this. I saw a WSJ article comparing the finances of both VP candidates. It was just another thing about Walz that left me feeling uneasy. How is a man his age so completely incapable of taking care of his family and himself financially? And with that in mind, how could anybody feel good about him being next in line for the presidency (not that the president is actually running the country, as we now know). I ask this sincerely. I am an independent voter who almost always voted Republican until Trump. Sat out the last election. But cannot see myself voting for this Harris/Walz ticket either. I live in DC, so my vote doesn't matter either way. But of course, almost all my friends are Dems, so I don't talk politics outside the home. When others impose their feelings onto me, they seem just blindly to be so excited about Harris/Walz and I truly find it baffling. She just doesn't engender confidence. And believe me, I want a woman president!

You're reading too much into it. It said that he has no stock investments. He has money, just not invested in a volatile market. The #1 rule of stock markets is that you should never spend money that you cannot lose in the stock market. Stocks can turn down as easily as they can turn up. So, he makes less money on interest having his money in more liquid assets and he does not risk losing it in volatile assets. He has no home because he sold his home when he became governor, since he would be living in the governor's mansion. If he wins, they will move into the VPs mansion. He will buy another home when they need one, e.g. if they lose the election in November or when he leaves the VP mansion (assuming he does not get another job that gives him free housing). It doesn't say he can't afford a house, but he doesn't own a house. Why spend to keep up a house if you aren't living in it. Plus, if you look at the real estate section of DCUM, you'll see threads with complaints about people who moved out of one house and decided to rent and later are complaining about the taxation on the capital gains when they hadn't lived in the house for 2 of the previous 5 years. Walz was going to be in the governor's mansion for 4 years, which means he would have lost capital gains protection on his money. And he would have had to pay to keep the property up and cared for while they were not living there.

The article does not say he has no money, but that he has no investments and property. And for his situation, he had good reasons for the decisions that he made. Yes, he may be limiting the interest and appreciation he would get, but he also limited the risk. The article did not note that many other governors and public servants who had provided housing made the same choice to sell their homes, and it has never been made a big issue of, until the comparison with Vance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this thread, so I haven't read the whole thing. I came looking for a place to ask this. I saw a WSJ article comparing the finances of both VP candidates. It was just another thing about Walz that left me feeling uneasy. How is a man his age so completely incapable of taking care of his family and himself financially? And with that in mind, how could anybody feel good about him being next in line for the presidency (not that the president is actually running the country, as we now know). I ask this sincerely. I am an independent voter who almost always voted Republican until Trump. Sat out the last election. But cannot see myself voting for this Harris/Walz ticket either. I live in DC, so my vote doesn't matter either way. But of course, almost all my friends are Dems, so I don't talk politics outside the home. When others impose their feelings onto me, they seem just blindly to be so excited about Harris/Walz and I truly find it baffling. She just doesn't engender confidence. And believe me, I want a woman president!

You are more concerned that someone doesn’t have investments than you are with one who regularly stiffs and cons people (see Trump’s multiple lawsuits, bankruptcies and felony convictions) and never pays his bills (see his inability to fly into Bozeman bc he still owes the airport money from the last election)? Your concerns cannot be taken seriously with that mentality.

Well, the post was pretty clear, not a Trump voter. Just not a fan of Walz either. Seems like a mediocre socialist to me.

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this thread, so I haven't read the whole thing. I came looking for a place to ask this. I saw a WSJ article comparing the finances of both VP candidates. It was just another thing about Walz that left me feeling uneasy. How is a man his age so completely incapable of taking care of his family and himself financially? And with that in mind, how could anybody feel good about him being next in line for the presidency (not that the president is actually running the country, as we now know). I ask this sincerely. I am an independent voter who almost always voted Republican until Trump. Sat out the last election. But cannot see myself voting for this Harris/Walz ticket either. I live in DC, so my vote doesn't matter either way. But of course, almost all my friends are Dems, so I don't talk politics outside the home. When others impose their feelings onto me, they seem just blindly to be so excited about Harris/Walz and I truly find it baffling. She just doesn't engender confidence. And believe me, I want a woman president!

You are more concerned that someone doesn’t have investments than you are with one who regularly stiffs and cons people (see Trump’s multiple lawsuits, bankruptcies and felony convictions) and never pays his bills (see his inability to fly into Bozeman bc he still owes the airport money from the last election)? Your concerns cannot be taken seriously with that mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:If it was up to JD Vance, I wouldn't have a family because of IVF.
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“Democrats are investing in prenatal care. We're the ones that are for universal pre-K. We're the ones that are providing school meals. I'm not gonna back down one bit on this whole family values thing. We're making it more affordable to have children by having paid family and medical leave. Where is JD Vance's program?”

Damned straight, Tim. This is why people like him & not the that freak, Vance.

Sounds good on the surface, if you are fine with increased taxes, increased gas and electricity prices, increased crowding of cities and schools. A huge no for many.

So the Republican plan is to force birth and, at this point, the babies can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And they wonder why polls are reversing.

I am pro choice but posts like this don’t help. There is another option that too many pro choice advocates ignore when screaming about how awful republicans are. If a woman gives birth to an unwanted baby she is not forced to raise it. Plenty of Americans would love to adopt a newborn.

As a parent of an adopted child, I have no delusions that women should become incubators for women who cannot have their own children. Our nation has not become Gilead yet. Also lots of birth parents don’t want to go nine months and walk away from their child. And when they do , willingly or by the state (foster care) they often wait far too long in the process, messing these children up.

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this thread, so I haven't read the whole thing. I came looking for a place to ask this. I saw a WSJ article comparing the finances of both VP candidates. It was just another thing about Walz that left me feeling uneasy. How is a man his age so completely incapable of taking care of his family and himself financially? And with that in mind, how could anybody feel good about him being next in line for the presidency (not that the president is actually running the country, as we now know). I ask this sincerely. I am an independent voter who almost always voted Republican until Trump. Sat out the last election. But cannot see myself voting for this Harris/Walz ticket either. I live in DC, so my vote doesn't matter either way. But of course, almost all my friends are Dems, so I don't talk politics outside the home. When others impose their feelings onto me, they seem just blindly to be so excited about Harris/Walz and I truly find it baffling. She just doesn't engender confidence. And believe me, I want a woman president!

The financial disclosure forms do not require you to list federal government TSP or state government 457(b) plans. Pensions are public record. The TSP and 457(b) do not require disclosure because they are de facto designed to mitigate conflict of interest.

Here’s his latest financial disclosure as Governor from Jan 2024:

https://cfb.mn.gov/reports-and-data/officials-financial-disclosure/official/13091/

All his investments are done through his government service. So there’s nothing to report. He does not own any real estate and owns no individual securities outside his state and federal retirement plans.

He obviously has direct exposure to U.S. financial markets and companies through their retirement investments. But it’s done in an arms lengthy manner. I suspect he’s basically a gov’y Boglehead.

-Someone who has to file insanely detailed federal financial disclosures

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and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

These kind of people are self-important drama queens. PP was just using it as an opportunity to take a dig at Walz. It’s just an inauthentic post.

Different undecided voter here. People who are concerned about this far left ticket, who also refuse to vote for Trump, will just stay home.

I know it’s just a small subset of us, and the Dems are going after special interest groups with a large number of voters. So basically we are unhoused at the moment.

Look, I understand. I'm a RINO that is now a registered Independent. I'm a Bush-41 republican who thinks that Reagan and Bush-41 are spinning in their graves after what Trump has done to the GOP.

The difference is that not only do I refuse to vote for Trump, I refuse to let him worm his way back into office just to pardon himself from his crimes. I disagree with a lot of the DNC platform, but I will vote for Harris-Walz because I refuse to allow him to get back into office and further erode our government. I think the damage that Trump would cause is far worse than anything that Harris can do in one term. The same as Biden, we can recover from the things that Harris can do. We cannot recover from changes that Trump would do.

Examples? Trump would take us out of NATO which would have world-wide repercussions. Such as changes which would allow Putin to continue his imperialistic ways. Putin wants to reconstitue the Soviet Union under the Russian flag. Trump would allow Russia to become the dominant superpower in the world. Trump would continue to make the court system more and more conservative allowing the court system to deny more and more human rights to women and minorities. Returning to the 1950s before the civil rights era is a terrible idea. Women are and would die from the Republican system of denying health care to pregnant women because doctors are afraid of legal percussions should they treat their pregnant patients as their medical training suggests. So they have to choose between their Hippocratic oaths and their legal obligations. Families of LGBTQ parents will get torn apart since Thomas has already said he is targeting Obergefell and more conservative judges on lower courts will push up cases that will test that ruling to the SCOTUS.

Sorry, but I, too, long for a more reasonable Republican party, like we had when we were younger, but that will not happen as long as the MAGA movement have a stranglehold on the GOP. To kill this monster, we need to cut off its head and keeping him from public office is paramount and the first step. The ultra-conservatives have taken over the Republican party and the only way to get them out of power is to keep them from being elected. If they cannot get a candidate elected, then they will lose power and maybe the more reasonable minded can regain power by showing that they can win in a general election.

Thank you for this post. One that actually helps those of us RINOs put things into perspective. I have never seen Trump as ultra-conservative and other than the conservative appointments to SCOTUS, I am unable to identify what he did that destroyed the country to the level that the left insists he did. As I just said in my last post, Trump really isn't an extreme conservative. He acts like one in his speech and performance, but his actions are not. In any event, can you help me understand how you can feel confident in the safety of our country with a Harris/Walz ticket? I truly feel like we won't really know who is actually running the country if we elect them. Neither of them are fit or capable of doing so. Their intellect is so low, with literally zero foreign policy experience that I just don't see how it's possible. With what happened to Biden, it is more clear than ever that we have a shadow government. Don't you want to know who that is?

As I just said, I agree that Trump himself is not ultra-conservative. But he knows that he built his coalition from ultra-conservative extremists. So, he continues to give subtle nodes to those extreme groups and will occasionally do things that will damage our country to keep them in line. This is how he maintains the MAGA devotion.

Classic examples, regarding Charlottesville, where there were white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and anti-Semites all gathered together, he gave them the subtle nod that there were "good people on both sides" hinting that he was supportive of their cause. Since then, we have had a rise in violence against minorities. Synagogue bombings, felony assaults on Asians (enough that states started to pass anti-Asian protection legislation), increase violence against Latinos.

He doesn't believe in abortion himself, but he put three very conservative anti-abortion judges on the Scotus, who would shred the practice of stare decisis and overturn Roe v Wade. And he is willing to allow the extremists in his party to push for a national abortion ban that he would sign if it reached his desk. He would probably also cater to Vance and his ultraconservatism to enact the travel ban on pregnant women who would no longer be allowed to travel out-of-state because they might terminate their pregnancy while out of state. Because of his appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett, pregnant women are and will continue to die of medically treatable conditions because doctors are afraid of treating a women in a way that might endanger their pregnancies or would not treat women if they might have to choose between the mother or the baby. The current conservative approach says that the baby's life is more important than the mother's health, fertility or even life.

He is a wealthy business man and so he enacted a tax cut that would primarily benefit the ultra-wealthy and sold it as a tax cut for all, although the majority of the middle class and lower would not benefit from it at all. He has helped increase the wage gap between CEOs and their employees. It will become even more extreme when the rest of the package kicks in in 2025.

He caters to the militant nationalists with the "America First" policies. He would withdraw us from NATO. The first repercussion is that we would no longer help Europe stand against Putin and Russia and parts of eastern Europe would be annexed by Russia again. The US is the major source of funding and military support for NATO. He also has been friendly with Putin and Kim Jong Un. His international politics distances the US from other democracies and ties us to authoritarian governments like Russia and North Korea. I fear those will have repercussions that could take lifetimes to recover from.

Many of the changes that he would make could take a lifetime to recover from, and a lifetime that many women will not survive to see.

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and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

yep. and it's cowardly and narcissistic.

Just listen to yourself. Disparaging people who don’t agree with how you vote isn’t helping your cause.

Newsflash - people can vote any way they want. Doing so does not make them cowardly or narcissistic.

You have to admit that a person who can’t be bothered to vote in a way that helps protect their friends and neighbors from the greater evil is pretty self-centered.

Things my friends and neighbors care about:

1) safety of their investments ( Walz doesn’t even have any?)
3) reducing taxes
2) reduced crime
4) food and gas prices
3) opioid epidemic
4) overcrowding of schools
5) quality of education

Just to start

What policies of Trump do you see addressing these issues… He has nothing but crowd sizes and talk. He has a track record of doing nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:He's just plain good.

and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

These kind of people are self-important drama queens. PP was just using it as an opportunity to take a dig at Walz. It’s just an inauthentic post.

Different undecided voter here. People who are concerned about this far left ticket, who also refuse to vote for Trump, will just stay home.

I know it’s just a small subset of us, and the Dems are going after special interest groups with a large number of voters. So basically we are unhoused at the moment.

When the choice is wannabe dictator who already encouraged his followers to attack the Capitol and ANYONE ELSE, why would you not vote for anyone else? So stupid.

This. Goes way beyond policies. He doesn’t believe in democracy and the rule of law. He doesn’t believe in being governed by the constitution. That’s all I need to know. The rest is noise.

See, this is weird to me. He is far more committed to the Constitution than anybody on the left. Why do people always say this?

The GOP is literally trying to impose Christianity on to the country, both through book banning, the display of the ten commandments in the classroom and their weird anti abortion stance.

Add to it the disrespect of a peaceful transfer of power and it is all totally disqualifying.

I didn't say the GOP, I said Trump.

Why do you dissociate GOP from Trump, who is the head of the party? Whatever his personal beliefs, his administration and advisors are all MAGA.

They would have stopped the minute he asked them to do so. But he didn't.

he didn't pick any new votes, might of cost them votes

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Meanwhile, back on the topic of Walz himself, I just learned that he did his Master's thesis on the importance of education about the Holocaust. This is amazing.

https://www.jta.org/2024/08/06/politics/tim-walz-wrote-a-masters-thesis-on-holocaust-education-just-as-his-own-schools-approach-drew-criticism
Jewish Telegraphic Agency: Tim Walz wrote a master’s thesis on Holocaust education, just as his own school’s approach drew criticism

But it’s clear that how to teach the Holocaust well has occupied Walz for decades. In 1993, while teaching in Nebraska, he was part of an inaugural conference of U.S. educators convened by the soon-to-open U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. Eight years later, after moving to Minnesota, he wrote a thesis arguing for changes in Holocaust education. And as governor, he backed a push to mandate teaching about the Holocaust in Minnesota schools.

Through it all, Walz modeled and argued for careful instruction that treated the Holocaust as one of multiple genocides worth understanding.

“Schools are teaching about the Jewish Holocaust, but the way it is traditionally being taught is not leading to increased knowledge of the causes of genocide in all parts of the world,” Walz wrote in his thesis, submitted in 2001.

The thesis was the culmination of Walz’s master’s degree focused on Holocaust and genocide education at Minnesota State University, Mankato, which he earned while teaching at Mankato West. His 27-page thesis, which JTA obtained, is titled “Improving Human Rights and Genocide Studies in the American High School Classroom.”

There was also a project he had his students do, looking at conditions and causes of genocide, then analyzing various parts of the world. The students predicted the Rwanda genocide a year before it happened.

As a teacher: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/08/08/tim-walz-was-my-teacher-what-i-learned-00173212
The Rwanda story: https://www.newsweek.com/tim-walz-kamala-vp-high-school-rwanda-genocide-1935862--there's a link to a NYT

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and shows empathy.

I’m voting down ballot and leaving the top of the ticket blank or writing in Biden, so I have no horse in this race, but the whole chest clutching, guffawing thing comes off as really fake and performative to me. Sorry.

I've said this before: people who don't vote for one of the two main candidates are making a statement only to themselves. This literally helps nothing. In the race before us, there is a clearly better choice and whatever your reason for "writing in Biden," it will not be advanced by doing so.

yep. and it's cowardly and narcissistic.

Just listen to yourself. Disparaging people who don’t agree with how you vote isn’t helping your cause.

Newsflash - people can vote any way they want. Doing so does not make them cowardly or narcissistic.

You have to admit that a person who can’t be bothered to vote in a way that helps protect their friends and neighbors from the greater evil is pretty self-centered.

Things my friends and neighbors care about:

1) safety of their investments ( Walz doesn’t even have any?)
3) reducing taxes
2) reduced crime
4) food and gas prices
3) opioid epidemic
4) overcrowding of schools
5) quality of education

Just to start

Walz has investments. Anybody with a pension and/or 457 plan has investments. As a parent and former teacher, I’m sure his concerns are just as great or greater than yours.