Ohio is shutting down all bars/restauarants except for takeout/delivery

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Anonymous wrote:To the Trump apologist above who asked where the Democratic plans were, here is an article about Warren proposing a federal response plan in January.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/warren-announces-infectious-disease-plan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

hm what kind of plan is this? this is just generic more money universal Coverafe stuff. which I support but has nothing to do with covid. none of this would solve the issue with testing, none of it would make people take it seriously. never does she mention social distancing, amping mask and respirator productions, problems with overreliance on supply lines from China.

the only thing where trump could have helped is taking this more seriously earlier and ordering more closures instead of focusing on the stock market. there is zero evidence that any of Democrats were taking this seriously until very recently either.

Warren’s plan was more than a month ahead of Trump’s much weaker plan, which is a huge amount of time dealing with a pandemic. Warren would have put the public health experts in charge of the planning and execution from the beginning instead of pretending it was a hoax.

That is a short article in the NY Post, not the actual detailed plan, and she kept adding to the plan all through February as additional failures were exposed. In January she probably believed that we would have testing capacity in public health agencies because that dysfunction had not yet been exposed.

Hard to verify--her plans no longer on her website.

Took me 5 seconds to find it.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/protecting-from-coronavirus

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how we all go on before vaccines for the flu, chicken pox, etc. Are today’s generations just softer and less tolerant of illness?

Go to any big old cemetery and look at how many people of all ages died in the same year or two. That is what happened. Half of families would be wiped out, a lot of surviving children would be orphaned, widows with children would remarry widowers with children, and so on. It was a Dickensian world.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how we all go on before vaccines for the flu, chicken pox, etc. Are today’s generations just softer and less tolerant of illness?

Umm, lots of people died. Some people had chicken pox parties or measles parties for their children, because it was better to get it as a child than later. But even then, people still died, children and adults.

There were fewer autoimmune diseases though.

I have thought about this a lot. I think that part of it is, yes, we are just softer. A hundred years ago, people just understood that a certain percentage of their children would not survive childhood. I've done genealogical research and it appears that, at least for my family of immigrants, it was typically about 20-30% of children who died with those sorts of illnesses. Also, people assumed that old people would be killed by something like pneumonia or diarrhea. It was very, very common. I think it was also very, very sad every single time it happened. But people didn't really have much choice but to keep going, including going to work so that their surviving children would not starve.

But they also didn't have a lot of NOVEL infections. So even though things went in waves through the communities, the odds are that most people in the community had survived a previous wave and had some degree of immunity. (Which is why little children were particularly vulnerable.) Novel outbreaks have always been catastrophic. Smallpox coming to America is a good example. Utterly catastrophic because there was zero previous immunity. (The 1918 flu is a less catastrophic example -- novel, but still related to previous flus that had circulated, so maybe not as bad.)

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how we all go on before vaccines for the flu, chicken pox, etc. Are today’s generations just softer and less tolerant of illness?

Umm, lots of people died. Some people had chicken pox parties or measles parties for their children, because it was better to get it as a child than later. But even then, people still died, children and adults.

There were fewer autoimmune diseases though.

It’s amazing how we all go on before vaccines for the flu, chicken pox, etc. Are today’s generations just softer and less tolerant of illness?

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Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.

Then we should do staggered quarantines / rolling lockdowns.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.

no we will not all eventually get it. stop with this nonsense.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.

no we will not all eventually get it. stop with this nonsense.

All the armchair public health and disease experts in these threads crack me up. Read a few article and look at some graphics and suddenly they know everything and try to shame anyone that don’t share the same dire predictions.

I'm not one of the dire folks, but we definitely will all get it if they don't succeed with a vaccine. I mean, we've all had the rhinovirus (common cold), right? Before vaccines for chicken pox, everyone got that eventually, right? Sounds like they are on top of it with a vaccine, so I don't think we'll all get it before they come up with a vaccine. But a lot of us will.

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Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

Younger Republicans too. Check out #coronakatie on Twitter.

My SIL is like this- she’s not even a Fox News viewer really, she just doesn’t tune into current events at all. Let her kid go on an international trip with her high school over spring break. Was texting DH asking why everyone was buying up toilet paper when as of yet there were no disease cases in their state, thought it was all overblown. Then called him in a panic yesterday because her friend texted her that Trump had closed the borders and the kids wouldn’t be able to get back in.

Yes, exactly.

Our media talks about what the rightwing press wants them to talk about. And so even those that are not Fox viewers hear rightwing lies.

I was one of the earlier and regular posters on the first 500-page thread. I feel like a lot of people are suddenly saying "So much has changed over the last couple of days." I feel like nothing has changed...it was all pretty predictable.

As a result, I feel like I am freaking out less than some people, and don't have as big a problem with small outings (which I feel like won't affect the curve that much). Things like OPM not going to telework, most of America acting like business as usual, courts still having oral arguments and not suspending civil discovery schedules (which means all the lawyers are still working to comply with those schedules and depositions, etc., are going forward), most major school districts still being in session, etc., etc., -- that's what's going to blow the curve wide-open, not my getting my hair done (which I haven't done, but am considering).

I posted some possible projection numbers on the 500 page thread back in January...I wish I knew what to search for to find it now, so I could check my own work.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.

no we will not all eventually get it. stop with this nonsense.

All the armchair public health and disease experts in these threads crack me up. Read a few article and look at some graphics and suddenly they know everything and try to shame anyone that don’t share the same dire predictions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.

no we will not all eventually get it. stop with this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

Younger Republicans too. Check out #coronakatie on Twitter.

My SIL is like this- she’s not even a Fox News viewer really, she just doesn’t tune into current events at all. Let her kid go on an international trip with her high school over spring break. Was texting DH asking why everyone was buying up toilet paper when as of yet there were no disease cases in their state, thought it was all overblown. Then called him in a panic yesterday because her friend texted her that Trump had closed the borders and the kids wouldn’t be able to get back in.

Anonymous wrote:What happens after social distancing?

Let's say my family does social distancing for a 1 month or even 2

When we go back out into the world, are we just going to get it, be just as sick and at risk? If so, maybe it is better to get earlier, get it over with and move on....

Yes. Eventually we will all get it. The point is not to all get it *at the same time*.