no. i'd prefer they fail at something that I think has value.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

+1
We have the same HHI and our liberal arts degrees were in Econ and gasp….German! We both went straight to wall st, and neither got any advanced degrees. I’ve posted this before but on wall st we always were involved in recruiting so we’d get a say in the new hires for our group. Almost all of our hires were either small liberal arts colleges or ivies. We wanted the kids that had learned how to learn. We’d be teaching them everything they needed to know, they just needed the ability to learn it. I learned from my experience after hiring a few finance majors from big universities. They were all disasters as they essentially had memorized ways to do things but were incapable of learning how to apply them to the real world. They were also way behind as far as being able to chat about current events, geopolitical things (which obviously played into our industry), etc.

If you don't think STEM majors have "learned how to learn" you don't know much about STEM majors. They learn more, much harder things than any liberal arts major.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

Can you tell me - are you Asian immigrants?

Not that PP but I'm not Asian and I agree with it.

Ok. What is your net worth? Did your parents and grandparents go to college? I am curious if this attitude is a social class divide or due to growing up in another country. I find it fascinating.

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

It is a bit jarring to read ignorant English majors assert that a STEM major is not "a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages."

I went to a STEM-only school where you could only major in STEM subjects but yes the college still had had a liberal arts department and a liberal arts requirement and we could take history, poli sci, philosophy, and literature classes, among others.

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

+1
We have the same HHI and our liberal arts degrees were in Econ and gasp….German! We both went straight to wall st, and neither got any advanced degrees. I’ve posted this before but on wall st we always were involved in recruiting so we’d get a say in the new hires for our group. Almost all of our hires were either small liberal arts colleges or ivies. We wanted the kids that had learned how to learn. We’d be teaching them everything they needed to know, they just needed the ability to learn it. I learned from my experience after hiring a few finance majors from big universities. They were all disasters as they essentially had memorized ways to do things but were incapable of learning how to apply them to the real world. They were also way behind as far as being able to chat about current events, geopolitical things (which obviously played into our industry), etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

Can you tell me - are you Asian immigrants?

Not that PP but I'm not Asian and I agree with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

you are so uninformed. what was your major? I am a government major, my husband is an English major, we are doing fine and have never had trouble getting a job. My DS is interested in political science so he is a politics major. Why does he need to major in "something real"? what IS "something real" to you? He has had a Capitol Hill internship and will have no trouble getting similar future internships and getting a job. You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows.

There are more people this world than doctors, lawyers, and IT people. Do you think that everyone else is making minimum wage?

Not a bad idea for your kid since he has a good established connection already from parents.
However, the data tells not so good in general.

Median salary for political science is $53998 and average is $58224
It's not a starting salary, it's average and median altogether.
In fact some must be making minimum wages.
These are actual information to consider, not some internet stories like yours.

So good that you got lucky and your kid has connections.
Good luck to others.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

Can you tell me - are you Asian immigrants?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

you are so uninformed. what was your major? I am a government major, my husband is an English major, we are doing fine and have never had trouble getting a job. My DS is interested in political science so he is a politics major. Why does he need to major in "something real"? what IS "something real" to you? He has had a Capitol Hill internship and will have no trouble getting similar future internships and getting a job. You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows.

There are more people this world than doctors, lawyers, and IT people. Do you think that everyone else is making minimum wage?

Anonymous wrote:Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Some specific cases from here and there are not too meaningful, i.e. a random person saying they are making 2 million after majoring in English.

If you get any degree from a good school, you'll get a good liberal arts education as part of general requirements. 
For your actual major, you better major something real.
You can always minor in history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages to complement your real major.

However you don't force your kid to major in something.
You would guide your kids based on talent and interest

Is the “STEM” only approach to college a first generation or Asian immigrant thing? It is a bit jarring to read the lack of appreciation for becoming a well rounded, educated adult that is knowledgeable about history, religion, philosophy, literature, politics, world languages and, yes, the sciences.

Since ROI seems most important in this discussion, our HHI is over $2 million and our college degrees are in English and Political Science.

Anonymous wrote:Just send them to trade school.

If you can't handle real majors at good colleges

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Anonymous wrote:My kid got a liberal arts degree in Chemistry with a minor in music and is gainfully employed in his field and applying to grad schools next year.

His best friend got a BA in Philosophy and is making a good salary working for a venture capital firm in Silicon Valley.

Some of you have a very limited understanding of the world.

HUH? Chemistry degree is a B.S. with a minor in music. Those of us with Chem, Engineering, Bio degrees are awarded a 'Bachelor of Science' B.S., not a Bachelor of Arts'B.A.

Chemistry, bio, neuroscience and math are liberal arts.

are also STEM as in S = Science, M = Math

Just send them to trade school.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid got a liberal arts degree in Chemistry with a minor in music and is gainfully employed in his field and applying to grad schools next year.

His best friend got a BA in Philosophy and is making a good salary working for a venture capital firm in Silicon Valley.

Some of you have a very limited understanding of the world.

HUH? Chemistry degree is a B.S. with a minor in music. Those of us with Chem, Engineering, Bio degrees are awarded a 'Bachelor of Science' B.S., not a Bachelor of Arts'B.A.

Chemistry, bio, neuroscience and math are liberal arts.