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Anonymous wrote:The op’s title and what was written indicate that the op has no idea that they’re distinct at all - which they are. Yea, they have. A lot of intersections but they are not the same.

I can’t speak for the OP, but for my DD and her friends, they are thinking about gender and sexuality very much concurrently. For example, Friend 1 says “I’m trans. I’m a boy.” Friend 2 replies, “I used to think I was bi, but now I think I’m omnisexual, but most attracted to non-binary people.” (Paraphrase of an actual conversation.) No, OP’s title is not technically the correct one for the content her post, but as far as the kids are concerned, it’s all happening at the same time.

You have just verbalized what is stupid about this whole thread and kids discussing what they want to be - they are deciding what they want to be, not who they are and just "trying it out" like trying on clothes or something. That parents indulging this is beyond absurd.

Anonymous wrote:The op’s title and what was written indicate that the op has no idea that they’re distinct at all - which they are. Yea, they have. A lot of intersections but they are not the same.

I can’t speak for the OP, but for my DD and her friends, they are thinking about gender and sexuality very much concurrently. For example, Friend 1 says “I’m trans. I’m a boy.” Friend 2 replies, “I used to think I was bi, but now I think I’m omnisexual, but most attracted to non-binary people.” (Paraphrase of an actual conversation.) No, OP’s title is not technically the correct one for the content her post, but as far as the kids are concerned, it’s all happening at the same time.

The op’s title and what was written indicate that the op has no idea that they’re distinct at all - which they are. Yea, they have. A lot of intersections but they are not the same.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

I think this person responds to her own posts with “+10,000” and “i completely agree” 😆🤣😂

Not at all. I'm one of the ppl, but def not responding to all these ridiculous posts. Thank goodness there is another adult in the room.

The most ridiculous (and poorly argued with zero evidence) contend that gender and sexuality are completely distinct. Hundreds of sex and gender studies programs around the world suggest otherwise. They are not the same thing but are deeply interwoven by diverse Western and non Western societies if it was straight forward, we would not need to study it at advanced levels. Many different employers hire these graduates because the insights/ analytical Approaches are needed by both private and public sectors.

Personally i strongly encourage our young teen to enjoy childhood/ youth as long as possible, and to not to get too caught up in labels. However, we talk about the gender labels and ways she is processing all this identity stuff. In her view, the girls who are mean about other girls identifying as bi/ gay/queer are the same ones who are openly racist. So some of the themes of sex and gender studies already presenting themselves.

Dismissing the extremely widespread gender bender movement as hyperbole is not helpful. Youth need support, love and guidance and tools to better understand themselves and others.

I'm fine with it, I can use whatever pronouns they want as long as they want and they can wear whatever they want. I see no reason why we need to stick to binary gender identities. Go teens.

Poster with 11yo - first of all, none of these “topics” were introduced at home. She learned about them at school, from friends, and from media (tv shows and magazines). We talk about them because they are something that is being discussed a lot among her friends. No, of course I don’t think she has it all figured out, but she does know that gender and sexuality are different things and each has a spectrum, which is correct and fine for her to know and begin to understand. “Allowing” her to understand these things is not harming her. Since several of her friends have “changed their pronouns” and others have changed their names and/or the way they present to the world, I am glad that she is sensitive enough to respect her friends and accept them and address them they way they want to be addressed. She’s in 6th grade. She has no sexual feelings and has told me many times that she knows she is cis, so I expect that she, along with a number of other cis girls, are trying to be allies by keeping their own sexuality open. She also has a number of friends who identify as gay - both girls and boys - and again, I don’t love the rushing to label oneself, but I respect these kids and I’m glad my daughter respects them.
Mostly I appreciate that she’s growing up in an environment that allows kids to “experiment” at this age which is all fine and normal (and there’s no talk about drugs so I don’t know what that other poster was going off on a tangent about drugs and grandchildren...). And I’m glad it’s an environment where kids aren’t afraid to come out or to be who they are. That’s MUCH healthier for all, even if it means a few straight kids self-identify as bi or whatever for a while, and then they change their minds.
The most important thing for kids is that they feel heard and they have adults they trust who they know respect them. My daughter (and her close friends) all have this. One of her best friends confided something to me recently and it was something I knew her parents would want to know. I encouraged her to open up to them which she did, and I know it’s made their relationship stronger. It had nothing to do with gender or sexuality (or drugs?!) but it was a somewhat challenging subject for this child and her parents but she felt she could ask me for advice and I’m glad she felt safe doing that. If we spend more time telling kids they’re wrong or stupid or “too woke” and not enough time engaging and listening to them we will have another generation of kids who lose their way.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

I think this person responds to her own posts with “+10,000” and “i completely agree” 😆🤣😂

Not at all. I'm one of the ppl, but def not responding to all these ridiculous posts. Thank goodness there is another adult in the room.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

Of course it does. Anyone who thinks their 11yo has it all figured out regarding sex and gender has no clue.

She literally said... she isn’t rushing into anything.

That her 11 yo knows all these terms and what they mean and is considering what she wants to be is absolutely absurd. She probably still wants to be a princess when she grows up but is considering pronouncing her sexual identity? People have lost their minds.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

It make sense if your a drama queen and HS, friends, driving etc were dramatic events.

They aren't for the parents, but these events are very much so for the kids. That's the whole point. If these issues are drama, how confused and messed up do you think these kids need to be? Oh yes, let's add that they should question their sexuality and gender too. No clue what you are allowing your kids mentally to have to endure. No clue whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

I think this person responds to her own posts with “+10,000” and “i completely agree” 😆🤣😂

+ 1,000,000 - We all (She/Her/ They/Them/Ze/Zie) completely agree!!!
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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

I think this person responds to her own posts with “+10,000” and “i completely agree” 😆🤣😂

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

It make sense if your a drama queen and HS, friends, driving etc were dramatic events.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

Of course it does. Anyone who thinks their 11yo has it all figured out regarding sex and gender has no clue.

She literally said... she isn’t rushing into anything.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense and I completely agree.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

Literally dozens of academic majors dedicated to understanding how they interconnect in complex ways ... willfully obtuse to pretend they are completely distinct and do not influence each other ....

Literally said they intersect (aka interconnect socially) but your are too willfully obtuse to admit they are not Siamese twins.

Can you please come up with your own insults? And try to be less literally minded? The main point being they cannot be surgically (precisely) divided - they cross over in many complex ways. Even The bible of US University rankings categorizes these programs as “Sex and Gender Studies” for a reason.

No. I prefer to use your own words against you.

Thanks for finally agreeing I’m right.

Kind of like risk and insurance... not the same, but intersecting.

Quite the opposite - your logic is that of a child without originality, depth or coherence. What part of “cannot clinically separate gender and sexuality” do you fail to comprehend ? This area of inquiry (the complex interplay between gender and sexuality) is studied at advanced levels in top universities in the US and abroad. Your failure to budge in the wake of overwhelming evidence is comical.