Anonymous
05/08/2021 11:57
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The point is that technology has never been driven by prestige, it has always been driven by innovation. Google, Microsoft, Apple were co-founded by state university graduates. This year another internet company founded by a local state university graduate, squarespace, will undergo IPO, likely making the founder a multi-billionaire.
However, many people from dmv believe otherwise. These people desperately try to instill a hierarchy into the IT scene.They want to transplant their concept and experience of prestige in the law, lobby, and consulting into the technology industry. They make a few data point of a few graduates from elite private to support their cause. Never-mind that these jobs are in trading business that the motto is you eat what you kill, and is not pure technology.
No one is talking down state universities - everyone knows that Berkeley, Georgia Tech, UIUC and U Washington are top schools for CS
The question is whether students at these top public’s get the same top opportunities at Michigan Technological. Right out of school? They don’t. Later down their career with experience, they definitely may, but these top job opportunities rolls over later in life into greater opportunities as well.
What is a "top" opportunity in CS according to you, since you keep referring to these top opportunities. Working for IBM was the top opportunity in CS in the 70's and 80's, and in the 90's it was Microsoft, late 90's it was any "dot coms", in 2000's no one wanted tech, big layoffs everywhere and salary cuts, working in IT for financial services or government contracting were safest, in 2010's it is the FAANGs, is it still going to be same when the class of 2022 to 2030 graduates? If there is one thing in Tech, it is constant change, what is top today is not top 10 years from now. I can bet you FAANG will not be top CS in 2040. A CS student should anchor themselves to their capabilities and ready to re-invent, not moored to the top CS job today.
Anonymous
05/08/2021 10:52
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:The point is that technology has never been driven by prestige, it has always been driven by innovation. Google, Microsoft, Apple were co-founded by state university graduates. This year another internet company founded by a local state university graduate, squarespace, will undergo IPO, likely making the founder a multi-billionaire.
However, many people from dmv believe otherwise. These people desperately try to instill a hierarchy into the IT scene.They want to transplant their concept and experience of prestige in the law, lobby, and consulting into the technology industry. They make a few data point of a few graduates from elite private to support their cause. Never-mind that these jobs are in trading business that the motto is you eat what you kill, and is not pure technology.
No one is talking down state universities - everyone knows that Berkeley, Georgia Tech, UIUC and U Washington are top schools for CS
The question is whether students at these top public’s get the same top opportunities at Michigan Technological. Right out of school? They don’t. Later down their career with experience, they definitely may, but these top job opportunities rolls over later in life into greater opportunities as well.
Anonymous
05/08/2021 10:20
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.
Yes, your imaginary MIT graduated senior manager was right in that not a lot of top school graduates actually considered your lowly place seriously because they had much better options.
Anonymous
05/08/2021 09:55
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.
Wrong. There are students graduating from Stanford next month with an undergrad degree in CS that have accepted job offers making $400K. The interview process for these jobs was brutal, but the starting salaries are incredible.
Who cares? Are those students going to be significantly happier or more fullfilled than they would have been if they had attended a different school, or chosen a different career?
Sour grapes truly believe homeless guys are happier than everyone else?
Anonymous
05/08/2021 09:51
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:The point is that technology has never been driven by prestige, it has always been driven by innovation. Google, Microsoft, Apple were co-founded by state university graduates. This year another internet company founded by a local state university graduate, squarespace, will undergo IPO, likely making the founder a multi-billionaire.
However, many people from dmv believe otherwise. These people desperately try to instill a hierarchy into the IT scene. They want to transplant their concept and experience of prestige in the law, lobby, and consulting into the technology industry. They make a few data point of a few graduates from elite private to support their cause. Never-mind that these jobs are in trading business that the motto is you eat what you kill, and is not pure technology.
You hit the bulls eye. This is the crux of the matter on almost all discussions on DCUM, which may be heavily skewed by folks in law, lobby, and business, where the school name and prestige determines outcomes, where state schools are looked down upon, there is a hierarchy. In some ways even in Medicine school name carries a certain weight throughout your career, a Harvard med school doctor will always carry that with them, just like a Harvard lawyer or b-school major. Lesser known state school grads in law, business, education, and medicine will have difficulty breaking down that glass ceiling. However, Tech is all about shattering norms. Tech is all about triumph of the rebels, many of the innovators are in fact those who do not conform to a hierarchy, it is true though most of them ends up in elite schools at some point, and that's just because for the research opportunity and peer groups, but Tech doesn't care at all, when you are in a room full of engineers trying to solve problem. No one actually cares if you went to MIT or U. Alabama 15 years after you graduate in Tech, unlike those other professions.
Anonymous
05/08/2021 09:06
Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
By the time someone is ready to get 400k the work experience and degree matters not where you went to school. I was discussing this with MIT graduated senior manager and he/she said usually they prefer not big school as some of the kids are snobs. Might be one individual opinion.
Wrong. There are students graduating from Stanford next month with an undergrad degree in CS that have accepted job offers making $400K. The interview process for these jobs was brutal, but the starting salaries are incredible.
Who cares? Are those students going to be significantly happier or more fullfilled than they would have been if they had attended a different school, or chosen a different career?
You’re not getting it. Money is everything in DCUM. Happiness is for hippies.