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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

So is thrombocytopenia, a brain blood clot, etc.

Is that so infectious that you say good buy to your kids over zoom?

You won't even get the chance. Look dead is dead. Take your chances with the vaccines or the virus. It should be your choice and no one else's business. If the vaccines are so great why won't the manufacturers' accept liability? Yadda yadda yadda but there's a fund for adverse effects...

Would you accept that for any other product? No.

The topic of this thread is how will availability of certain things be limited to people that take the chance of not getting vaccinated. It is not about forcing any person to be vaccinated. It is about what will be available to vaccinated people, and what will be available to unvaccinated people.

Ah, but coercion is force. Bullying is force. Shaming is force. So that's not really what your topic is then is it?

If you are trying to shame me or bully me into not discussing this topic, try again. There are vaxxed and unvaxxed - all fine and good but the two groups are not the same.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

So is thrombocytopenia, a brain blood clot, etc.

Is that so infectious that you say good buy to your kids over zoom?

You won't even get the chance. Look dead is dead. Take your chances with the vaccines or the virus. It should be your choice and no one else's business. If the vaccines are so great why won't the manufacturers' accept liability? Yadda yadda yadda but there's a fund for adverse effects...

Would you accept that for any other product? No.

The topic of this thread is how will availability of certain things be limited to people that take the chance of not getting vaccinated. It is not about forcing any person to be vaccinated. It is about what will be available to vaccinated people, and what will be available to unvaccinated people.

Ah, but coercion is force. Bullying is force. Shaming is force. So that's not really what your topic is then is it?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.

I just started a thread on this. I get the main reason why my friend is a skeptic, but also think being unvaccinated and expecting everyone around you to take precautions is not tenable.

Kids are not vaccinated. So, for their sake, yes we should all continue to take precautions. Likewise, they only released the vaccine a few weeks ago to the regular public and its not that easy still to get an appointment. I spend many hours trying to get appointments. What is reasonable is to expect people to curb their behavior till numbers are in the safe areas to help protect everyone. Many people are behaving very poorly and we need a combination of vaccines and behavior to get this under control. I have zero expectations for anyone but stop calling me to babysit, carpool and don't send your kids over as even when the adults are fully vaccinated in our home, nothing changes given there are still reports we can get covid and our kids can. We have a duty to keep our kids safe.

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Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.

But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.

Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.

That's quite the policy.

Yeah, given that only a minority of people are vaccinated at this point, forcing someone to use their sick leave after being exposed to someone at work is some serious BS.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

So is thrombocytopenia, a brain blood clot, etc.

Is that so infectious that you say good buy to your kids over zoom?

You won't even get the chance. Look dead is dead. Take your chances with the vaccines or the virus. It should be your choice and no one else's business. If the vaccines are so great why won't the manufacturers' accept liability? Yadda yadda yadda but there's a fund for adverse effects...

Would you accept that for any other product? No.

The topic of this thread is how will availability of certain things be limited to people that take the chance of not getting vaccinated. It is not about forcing any person to be vaccinated. It is about what will be available to vaccinated people, and what will be available to unvaccinated people.

So far the list of things that are available to vaccinated people includes: access to in person learning at certain college campuses, access to certain medical practices, access to certain jobs, what else?

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Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.

But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.

Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.

yes, a friend is a vax skeptic. she travels by plane to see people, but quarantines for ten days after arrival. at some point, she is going to burn through all her vaca time on the quarantines.

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.

I just started a thread on this. I get the main reason why my friend is a skeptic, but also think being unvaccinated and expecting everyone around you to take precautions is not tenable.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

So is thrombocytopenia, a brain blood clot, etc.

Is that so infectious that you say good buy to your kids over zoom?

You won't even get the chance. Look dead is dead. Take your chances with the vaccines or the virus. It should be your choice and no one else's business. If the vaccines are so great why won't the manufacturers' accept liability? Yadda yadda yadda but there's a fund for adverse effects...

Would you accept that for any other product? No.

The topic of this thread is how will availability of certain things be limited to people that take the chance of not getting vaccinated. It is not about forcing any person to be vaccinated. It is about what will be available to vaccinated people, and what will be available to unvaccinated people.

Their lives are going to be limited when the get it and die. So, there's that...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 50+ and received all the usual vaccinations required to go to public school, and DS 30+ had all the same plus new ones required for school and recorded in a little yellow booklet (wonder where that is now??). DH received all kinds of extra vaccinations while in the military. Most Americans are like us and have received vaccines recommended and required by government. Why is there such resistance to the COVID vaccine? Is it because of the emergency use authorization?

The internet has made people really paranoid.

I’m glad my parents made sure I had all available vaccinations. As a military dependent, I also received the smallpox vaccine as a child which gives me protection most Americans don’t have. My whole family is now fully-vaccinated except for two paranoid Trumper siblings who think they might be immune or allergic but refuse to confirm either.

The issue as it were is that COVID vaccines are NOT required (yet? Ever?).

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Anonymous wrote:You like false dichotomies, don't you?

(Why can't we advocate for both?)

YOU can. I’m taking about what government is DOING. Threatening people in this country to comply while simultaneously allowing infected people to cross into our country.

+1 million. Makes no sense

And had countries around the world done this for awhile, we’d have had better (not complete) containment. SMH.

The internet has also made it more likely for people to think they understand things that they actually don't. I mean, it's great that there is not as much gatekeeping to information, but you can't understand that information without context -- including knowing what you don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 50+ and received all the usual vaccinations required to go to public school, and DS 30+ had all the same plus new ones required for school and recorded in a little yellow booklet (wonder where that is now??). DH received all kinds of extra vaccinations while in the military. Most Americans are like us and have received vaccines recommended and required by government. Why is there such resistance to the COVID vaccine? Is it because of the emergency use authorization?

The internet has made people really paranoid.

I’m glad my parents made sure I had all available vaccinations. As a military dependent, I also received the smallpox vaccine as a child which gives me protection most Americans don’t have. My whole family is now fully-vaccinated except for two paranoid Trumper siblings who think they might be immune or allergic but refuse to confirm either.

Anonymous wrote:By far the most competitive, best pediatric practices require vaccination, and will require covid-19 vaccination for kids. Anti-vaxxers can take their kids to their chiropractors.

There should be practices for people interested in subscribing to modern medicine with theories, diagnosis, treatments, preventative measures , etc. based on the scientific method and scientific research. This is sought after by millions of people. If this is not your preference you can find what you are looking for where you find it....it probably not going to be the same practices I respect and patronize.

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Anonymous wrote:You like false dichotomies, don't you?

(Why can't we advocate for both?)

YOU can. I’m taking about what government is DOING. Threatening people in this country to comply while simultaneously allowing infected people to cross into our country.

+1 million. Makes no sense