Anonymous
04/09/2021 17:18
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?
No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.
didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.
also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.
Its NOTHING. kids who get in play an instrument at a national or regional level. No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.
This is just a dumb statement.
The vast majority of students do not need to play musical instruments at a national level on top of a 1590 SAT and 800s in Math and Physics with a very high GPA with a rigorous curriculum, to get into a school like Dartmouth or Cornell.
The vast majority of students at Dartmouth and Cornell are not freaking Carnegie Hall-level musicians nor Olympics athletes
But unfortunately if you are Asian, you apparently have to be.
The vast majority of students at HPY fit into some box or they would be rejected. They are not regular kids that score high. If you spent time talking to admitted students you would realize that students typically have something special beyond high scores. (Other kids are not in a position to judge and may not have knowledge of out of school activities.)
Something special beyond high scores as in donor and legacy parents?
Dartmouth and Cornell are not HPY. Not sure if you know what that abbreviation stands for.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 16:08
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:At this rate, where do the average/just above average students end up if all these guys are ending up in state schools?
Community college. Then they transfer to great majors with a 4.0 GPA. They are equally successful. In the end, to get a leg up - no student debt, employable majors, no drama in family life and good health.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 16:07
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another high stats kid rejected even by umd. Looks like TJ kid though
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeagueyw/
She was accepted to UNC with a 13 percent acceptance rate and waitlisted at some tough schools. Again - every school where she faced rejection accepted less than 5 percent of the applicants. where was the guidance? Why not more schools like UNC and less like Princeton if she wanted better results?
Agree. The guidance to apply to nearly every Ivy - as different as they all are - is the guidance to ensure you can't show yourself to be a perfect match to any one of them. With so many kids with top stats it's isn't good enough to be good enough. You have to show why you belong there more than the others or the pure numbers game will kill you.
Do not shotgun the ivies. Figure out which one you fit best at and make that case as strongly as possible.
If you hire people, think of it this way: ever have someone come in, know all about your business, what you do, and what you are proudest of? Someone who has really done their homework and doesn't want a job but wants to be part of your team? That enthusiasm SHINES, and stands out way more than 50 points higher on the SAT.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 16:07
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?
No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.
didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.
also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.
Its NOTHING. kids who get in play an instrument at a national or regional level. No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.
This is just a dumb statement.
The vast majority of students do not need to play musical instruments at a national level on top of a 1590 SAT and 800s in Math and Physics with a very high GPA with a rigorous curriculum, to get into a school like Dartmouth or Cornell.
The vast majority of students at Dartmouth and Cornell are not freaking Carnegie Hall-level musicians nor Olympics athletes
But unfortunately if you are Asian, you apparently have to be.
Agree.
These posters saying he needs to be a Carnegie Hall level musician have a 10-year-old's level of understanding of college admissions.
Ha ha. Nope. Unless you are first Gen with a great story of overcoming hardships that is the standard.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 16:06
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeaB1Nm9/
Truly sad what this country has become.
I don't think this is sad at all. These are good test scores. So what? I wouldn't want my kid going to a school full of people who just had good test scores. Quite boring. (And yes, my kid had these scores as well.)
What is rhe tok kid saying to all the accepted kids? I deserved your spot. My attributes and sacrifices are better than yours and you should step aside for me.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 16:01
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeaB1Nm9/
Truly sad what this country has become.
I don't think this is sad at all. These are good test scores. So what? I wouldn't want my kid going to a school full of people who just had good test scores. Quite boring. (And yes, my kid had these scores as well.)
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:59
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:At this rate, where do the average/just above average students end up if all these guys are ending up in state schools?
50-150 just like it was in the old days before everyone was told to skip local college and go to elite schools. The ivies were built to educate a small group of kids and have not expanded their class size so now they are impossible for anyone to attend.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:58
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?
No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.
didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.
also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.
Its NOTHING. kids who get in play an instrument at a national or regional level. No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.
This is just a dumb statement.
The vast majority of students do not need to play musical instruments at a national level on top of a 1590 SAT and 800s in Math and Physics with a very high GPA with a rigorous curriculum, to get into a school like Dartmouth or Cornell.
The vast majority of students at Dartmouth and Cornell are not freaking Carnegie Hall-level musicians nor Olympics athletes
But unfortunately if you are Asian, you apparently have to be.
Agree.
These posters saying he needs to be a Carnegie Hall level musician have a 10-year-old's level of understanding of college admissions.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:54
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
At this rate, where do the average/just above average students end up if all these guys are ending up in state schools?
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:49
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?
No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.
didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.
also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.
Its NOTHING. kids who get in play an instrument at a national or regional level. No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.
This is just a dumb statement.
The vast majority of students do not need to play musical instruments at a national level on top of a 1590 SAT and 800s in Math and Physics with a very high GPA with a rigorous curriculum, to get into a school like Dartmouth or Cornell.
The vast majority of students at Dartmouth and Cornell are not freaking Carnegie Hall-level musicians nor Olympics athletes
But unfortunately if you are Asian, you apparently have to be.
The vast majority of students at HPY fit into some box or they would be rejected. They are not regular kids that score high. If you spent time talking to admitted students you would realize that students typically have something special beyond high scores. (Other kids are not in a position to judge and may not have knowledge of out of school activities.)
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:45
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Lots of high performers from all manner of high schools are rejected from Yale and Harvard. You have to be kidding me. She looks amazing but she is somehow entitledto go to Duke or MIT? The disappointment is heart breaking but she has very good option.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:42
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another high stats kid rejected even by umd. Looks like TJ kid though
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeagueyw/
She was accepted to UNC with a 13 percent acceptance rate and waitlisted at some tough schools. Again - every school where she faced rejection accepted less than 5 percent of the applicants. where was the guidance? Why not more schools like UNC and less like Princeton if she wanted better results?
She was rejected by UMD for some odd reason
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:41
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another high stats kid rejected even by umd. Looks like TJ kid though
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeagueyw/
OK, whatever. She and a million others. This is getting old.
The millions under-performers are happy that high-performers end up in the same schools. Which is exactly the title of this thread suggests.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:39
Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:30,000 valedictorians
30,000 salutorians
20,000 ivy league seats
See the problem here? And that's only 2 deep for each HS, and does not account for other hooks, or concentrated expected majors, or other factors.
Sad for this kid, for sure. But it's going to happen to more than 2 out of 3 kids like him.
It also doesn't account for foreigners who are almost always paying out-of-pocket.
I don't know why this boy thinks he's all that. He is not.
Anonymous
04/09/2021 15:38
Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Another high stats kid rejected even by umd. Looks like TJ kid though
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeagueyw/
She was accepted to UNC with a 13 percent acceptance rate and waitlisted at some tough schools. Again - every school where she faced rejection accepted less than 5 percent of the applicants. where was the guidance? Why not more schools like UNC and less like Princeton if she wanted better results?