Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is how it feels in my mind:
1: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton
2: Yale, Columbia, Caltech
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins
4: Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
5: Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UCLA

In your mind but not factually.

Drop Williams (whatever the hell that is), Amherst, Rice, and UCLA out of those rankings entirely, then move Hopkins and Duke down to tier 5 and Northwestern to 4, and you've got a rational list

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is how it feels in my mind:
1: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton
2: Yale, Columbia, Caltech
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins
4: Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
5: Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UCLA

Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, Pomona, Swarthmore a bunch of other missing schools.

Without basketball, Duke is no better regarded than Wake.

USNWR drives the rankings that parents chase for their DC. They just don't want to admit it. Any other ranking / tiering is irrelevant.

USNWR top 30 National universities and top 20 Liberal Arts colleges + plus everybody else.

You're welcome 🙂

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.

This^.

First of all, that's seven.

Second, you have trotted this nonsense out on here for years. It is like you heard something one time and are totally unable to let it go.

Third, it is silly. While all of these schools are great, there are others that are also equally great. What would make USNA, or USMA more important than USAFA? Is MIT not important? If your answer is that you forgot MIT, what makes it more important than Caltech? Michigan, Penn, UW, UCSD, UCLA, Wisconsin, and Duke are all in the top 10 research producing schools in the country. Are they somehow less important?

You should be embarrassed to keep trotting out this ridiculous line.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is a decent school, but it's plagued by a very stressful campus culture, and is frankly really only a good place for pre-med/biomed (but, again, incredibly stressful). Although an elite private school it consistently ranks as one of the least desirable.

JHU grads are some of the most prestige-obsessed and downright insecure folks I've met. The ones I knew saw it as a backup school and were quite eager to transfer out. Really lacking school spirit. It's like UChicago with a heavy grad presence and weak undergrad focus (for most of its history) but lacking the prestige or an illustrious history to back up its status as an ivy+ school. Maybe things have changed a bit with the rapid shift in the college admissions landscape but still nowhere nearly as desirable as the top institutions even with Bloomberg's record-setting donation.

As a Hopkins grad, I laugh at these posts. Look at USNWR reputational rankings and Hopkins is usually Top 5. It’s simply a place of advanced academia. 30 years ago someone messed with someone else’s lab project and the rest is history.

Fact. Hopkins law, medicine and business grad school acceptance rate are on par with any school in the country per capital. Period.

Fact. It’s humanities programs are often Top 5-10. They are often overshadowed by their Hard Science departments but are incredibly strong.

It’s not the most fun place in the world. But for scholars, it’s nirvana.

Anonymous wrote:

Hopkins lacks the ultra high prestige of HYPSM. It lacks the intellectual edge and prestige of Chicago (and to a lesser extent - Columbia). It also lacks the undergrad focus of schools like Brown and Dartmouth. With this stated, I think it does very well overall in comparison to schools like Penn, Cornell, Duke and Northwestern.

It has two special strengths:
1. Medical School & School of Public Health
2. School of Advanced International Studies.

The Engineering school is also a bit of a "hidden gem" offering a terrific education and outstanding opportunities for students when they graduate.

Hopkins SPH gets a lot of grants, that it true, but the teaching is very much lacking (and I have heard professors state that from the podium).

They care about $$ and status, over all else (which is not a good look for a school of public health).

Note also, that USNWR rankings in this field are based upon votes from people in the field. JHSPH has the most alumni so...ergo....yeah, that is how that works.

Anonymous wrote:Stanford, Chicago, Rice, Vanderbilt, Duke, Hopkins, MIT and CalTech should make their own sports league and call it Ivier League.

Why would Stanford give up PAC 12 money or Duke AAC or Vanderbilt SEC? Do you know how much the SEC distributes to member schools every year?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is how it feels in my mind:
1: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton
2: Yale, Columbia, Caltech
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins
4: Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
5: Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UCLA

Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, Pomona, Swarthmore a bunch of other missing schools.

which belong to Tier 7 or 8.

where is Penn?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is how it feels in my mind:
1: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton
2: Yale, Columbia, Caltech
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins
4: Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
5: Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UCLA

Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, Pomona, Swarthmore a bunch of other missing schools.

which belong to Tier 7 or 8.

Anonymous wrote:This is how it feels in my mind:
1: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton
2: Yale, Columbia, Caltech
3. Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins
4: Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
5: Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UCLA

Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, Pomona, Swarthmore a bunch of other missing schools.

Hopkins lacks the ultra high prestige of HYPSM. It lacks the intellectual edge and prestige of Chicago (and to a lesser extent - Columbia). It also lacks the undergrad focus of schools like Brown and Dartmouth. With this stated, I think it does very well overall in comparison to schools like Penn, Cornell, Duke and Northwestern.

It has two special strengths:
1. Medical School & School of Public Health
2. School of Advanced International Studies.

The Engineering school is also a bit of a "hidden gem" offering a terrific education and outstanding opportunities for students when they graduate.

FFS. The Ivy League is an athletic conference. Like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, etc. Hopkins is not a member of said conference. They play lacrosse as an associate member of the Big Ten. Not sure anyone remotely cares about any of their other athletic teams (other than team members, their parents and some alumni).

Anonymous wrote:Stanford, Chicago, Rice, Vanderbilt, Duke, Hopkins, MIT and CalTech should make their own sports league and call it Ivier League.

If you think Vandy is going to voluntarily leave the SEC ($$$$$), you are out of your mind. Duke too, unless the ACC collapses.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.

LOL

Pretty soon we'll have alums from every school under the sun arguing to be part of the club.

Stanford, Chicago, Rice, Vanderbilt, Duke, Hopkins, MIT and CalTech should make their own sports league and call it Ivier League.