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Anonymous wrote:Same and we lived there for three years. The nicest people I have been met. I want my kids raised like them too, except I drink coffee and coke though.

You can drink coke, but not coffee or tea. It's hot drinks that are the problem.

Mormons can’t drink hot drinks?

Ugh. So much misinformation. Of course Mormons can drink hot drinks. They’re not supposed to drink caffeine. So, caffeine-free soda is okay. De-caf coffee is fine as is herbal tea.

No, you appear to have some misinformation.

The original word that Joseph Smith received from God was actually that Mormons were forbidden from "hot drinks" (that is the official phrase that was used--"hot drinks"). Over time, people interpreted this as coffee and tea.

Some Mormons did eventually chose to extend this to other caffeinated beverages, but many never did.

The official, explicit declaration from the church is that caffeinated soda is okay.

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/03/461843938/can-mormons-drink-coca-cola

Cheers!

NP here.

I spend time once a week with a Mormon friend. She will drink hot, herbal tea but will not touch soda. She was very intrigued with some cola flavored seltzer I had because it was caffeine free. Mormon guys I used to date would never drink caffeinated sodas.

Interesting. I am friends with a few Mormon women (neighbors) and they are OBSESSED with Diet Coke. Tough day? “Gosh, I NEED a Diet Coke ASAP.” Fun celebration? Diet Coke! They love it.

Yes, I follow a bunch of Mormon influencers on Instagram and they're all obsessed with Diet Coke. They drink it out of wine glasses. They'll also talk about "partying hard and the pictures will be of them drinking Diet Coke. 🤣

Anonymous wrote:More anti-depressants used in Utah than any other state. More use of pornography. More teen suicides. More teens kicked out of their homes, becoming homeless, due to being gay. Yeah, a really healthy church.

Become friends with *ex-Mormons". They'll tell ya.

Most of the ex Mormons I know aren’t angry. They are more angry about silly generalizations that are made. I am not sure about your porn stats. The suicide thing is real. The parents are strict and un yielding. They can’t legally kick minors out without a full investigation by authorities. That puts their other kids at risk for being removed.

More anti-depressants used in Utah than any other state. More use of pornography. More teen suicides. More teens kicked out of their homes, becoming homeless, due to being gay. Yeah, a really healthy church.

Become friends with *ex-Mormons". They'll tell ya.

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Anonymous wrote:Yah, I know what you mean. I work with a few Mormons and they (and their families) just have their shit together in every way and it’s sometimes enviable.

Its engrained in their religion to succeed.

These people always look so healthy. This is what a lifetime of good habits results in. Plus when you have no alcohol and drugs to cloud your mind you simply end up a better person.

And of course children born to married parents who stay married have the best outcomes.

There’s nothing stopping other religions from following suit. The Adventists have a leg up on the Mormons WRT health. They also don’t allow smoking and alcohol, but additionally, they encourage a healthy diet. On average, I think that Adventists outlive every other religious group. Alcoholics do NOTHING for a community.
Mormons are different in that they push the men especially to work. They encourage the women to take good care of their families. One Mormon friend of mine told me that his father would not allow him to date until he had a job. Also, one college summer he had a job lined up that would start two weeks after he came back home. His father insisted that he find a job for the two weeks, or that he spend the two weeks looking for a job.

Anonymous wrote:Yah, I know what you mean. I work with a few Mormons and they (and their families) just have their shit together in every way and it’s sometimes enviable.

Its engrained in their religion to succeed.

These people always look so healthy. This is what a lifetime of good habits results in. Plus when you have no alcohol and drugs to cloud your mind you simply end up a better person.

And of course children born to married parents who stay married have the best outcomes.

I am confused about why this faith has to explain itself to anyone or even conform to ideals held by non members. There are huge variations in different religious groups, and that's a good thing. People need choices.
If the LDS Church ( I assume that OP meant LDS Mormon, and not just any Mormon), asks for 10% of your income then that is the business of the members. If they don't drink caffeinated beverages, why do I care? If they pressure families to bring their kids up so hat they stay in the religion, why is that any different than most Muslims, many Jews, and certain Christians like Jehovah's Witnesses and Amish?
I really think that liberals need to take a step back and understand what tolerance really is.
Also, most religions try to affect the thinking of their members. Occasionally, that direction can end up with some bad outcomes. Catholics' guilt, Muslim's now with violence against non believers, and Jews and crazy Zionism.
Leave the Mormons alone. Mind your own business. If they come to your door, just don't open it. OP, go to a church and ask them about their faith.

Not true.

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Anonymous wrote:As another PP suggested, just appropriate the ideals you like about the religion. Service is a wonderful concept that so many churches encourage but few parishioners partake of. In Mormonism it is required -- you can't get to heaven without doing constant good deeds.

i like that family home evening thing that someone mentioned. We may try that. I will pick the least busy night of the week and dedicate it to the family being together. I think we may try for 2x per month.

We certainly don't need to convert to some religion that checks our W-2s in order to do these things I find attractive.

(We do give 1% of our income [b]to our charities of choice each year. My kids also donate 1% of their allowance to the charities of their choice. We didn't demand, we just set the example.)

Mormons have to give 10% of gross. Yes they know exactly how much you make.

This isn't true - your church leaders don't know how much you make unless you tell them. I'm a non-believing, but lifelong Mormon, from a long line of Mormons. The official direction is to "tithe 10% of your increase." No one tells you whether that means gross or net and your bishop certainly isn't collecting your W-2 to check your salary. It's pure honor code and most people actually are completely honest about it, as they truly believe it's what God wants them to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Same and we lived there for three years. The nicest people I have been met. I want my kids raised like them too, except I drink coffee and coke though.

You can drink coke, but not coffee or tea. It's hot drinks that are the problem.

Mormons can’t drink hot drinks?

Ugh. So much misinformation. Of course Mormons can drink hot drinks. They’re not supposed to drink caffeine. So, caffeine-free soda is okay. De-caf coffee is fine as is herbal tea.

No, you appear to have some misinformation.

The original word that Joseph Smith received from God was actually that Mormons were forbidden from "hot drinks" (that is the official phrase that was used--"hot drinks"). Over time, people interpreted this as coffee and tea.

Some Mormons did eventually chose to extend this to other caffeinated beverages, but many never did.

The official, explicit declaration from the church is that caffeinated soda is okay.

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/03/461843938/can-mormons-drink-coca-cola

Cheers!

NP here.

I spend time once a week with a Mormon friend. She will drink hot, herbal tea but will not touch soda. She was very intrigued with some cola flavored seltzer I had because it was caffeine free. Mormon guys I used to date would never drink caffeinated sodas.

Interesting. I am friends with a few Mormon women (neighbors) and they are OBSESSED with Diet Coke. Tough day? “Gosh, I NEED a Diet Coke ASAP.” Fun celebration? Diet Coke! They love it.

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Anonymous wrote:Same and we lived there for three years. The nicest people I have been met. I want my kids raised like them too, except I drink coffee and coke though.

You can drink coke, but not coffee or tea. It's hot drinks that are the problem.

Mormons can’t drink hot drinks?

Ugh. So much misinformation. Of course Mormons can drink hot drinks. They’re not supposed to drink caffeine. So, caffeine-free soda is okay. De-caf coffee is fine as is herbal tea.

No, you appear to have some misinformation.

The original word that Joseph Smith received from God was actually that Mormons were forbidden from "hot drinks" (that is the official phrase that was used--"hot drinks"). Over time, people interpreted this as coffee and tea.

Some Mormons did eventually chose to extend this to other caffeinated beverages, but many never did.

The official, explicit declaration from the church is that caffeinated soda is okay.

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/03/461843938/can-mormons-drink-coca-cola

Cheers!

NP here.

I spend time once a week with a Mormon friend. She will drink hot, herbal tea but will not touch soda. She was very intrigued with some cola flavored seltzer I had because it was caffeine free. Mormon guys I used to date would never drink caffeinated sodas.

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Anonymous wrote:Elizabeth's Smart's father just came out as gay last year. He has left the church saying it is not supportive. Luckily his family seems supportive.

You do know that at this time, MOST American churches would not be supportive?

Did most American churches ask their members to raid their retirement accounts and kids' college funds to support Prop 8 in California? And brag about it in public ? Cause the Mormon Church did.

They did not make anyone contribute.

https://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Mitt-Romney-donated-10-thousand-to-Prop-8

I know one person who left. All he did was stop attending. Then people called him and he said that he didn’t want to come back. That was the end of it.

Whoever is defending the Mormon CHiuch here: give it up. You cannot win. You have not made one cogent argument for the Church. All you can say is "Uhn-uhhh! "

Those of us left can refute everything the Church is. Everything.

Readers: Now the Mormon standard response is: "you left the church, but you can't leave it alone."

All of us ex-mo's know the routine.

The Family Home Evening is nice.

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Anonymous wrote:The Mormon church controls everything a Mormon is supposed to do/not supposed to do. Even the underwear you wear.

No R-rated movies. No searching the internet for Mormon problem issues. No writings that may criticize Mormonism. (All these things are called "anti-Mormon" by the church. Yes, the church even tells you what vocabulary to use.)

If you dare to question anything it is because you are not praying hard enough and the problem is with you, not the church.

Ask me how I l know.

Sounds nuts.

“Years ago a friend of mine was going down an escalator at a department store. Her blouse got caught in something and tore severely. It was beyond saving and she decided to buy a new blouse. She selected a couple of items and the saleslady was helping her in the dressing room. When she removed the torn blouse, the sales lady did a little recoil and said, "oh, your camesole is supposed to go over your bra".
She admitted that she felt quite the fool.”

Source: https://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/garments

I read the link. Very amusing! There is a youtube series of an ex-Mormon couple who escaped the church. They put on each other's garments and had a blast. It's a cute video.

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Anonymous wrote:Elizabeth's Smart's father just came out as gay last year. He has left the church saying it is not supportive. Luckily his family seems supportive.

You do know that at this time, MOST American churches would not be supportive?

Did most American churches ask their members to raid their retirement accounts and kids' college funds to support Prop 8 in California? And brag about it in public ? Cause the Mormon Church did.

They did not make anyone contribute.