Anonymous wrote:Both Germany and France today banned public gatherings of over 1000 people.

France had a previous ban for gatherings over 5000. Not sure about Germany, but both countries are see large increases in cases.

Italy is now blaming Germany for their outbreak. apparently a study of the northern Italian strains match the strains from the German auto parts maker factory outbreak (where someone from Singapore visited the German plant and brought the virus with her).

Anonymous wrote:I was exposed to someone with Coronavirus (tested positive) and was told that I “didn’t meet criteria” to be tested. I have self-quarantined myself but this is ridiculous. If they don’t test, they don’t know how many people are infected.

But you shouldn't/wouldn't be doing anything different, even if you were tested. It sounds as though the test isn't definitive until 14 days have passed, anyway (based on the treatment of the cruise ship passengers that were quarantined -- some showed up positive later during quarantine, even when they were negative when they first got off the boat). If you are self-quarantined, the demand to test sounds more like its for your convenience and your hope that it will give you a (probably false) peace of mind.

It seems so odd to me that the same people who are demanding that the schools be shut down where there is no evidence of exposure think we shouldn't just do a 14-day quarantine of everyone who's been exposed (whether or not they're tested).

Those who seem to think it's possible to test the entire population and isolate out the "positives" just aren't thinking clearly. You're chasing a moving target.

Both Germany and France today banned public gatherings of over 1000 people.

France had a previous ban for gatherings over 5000. Not sure about Germany, but both countries are see large increases in cases.

Anonymous wrote:Nowhere does it suggest going to the ER and demanding a bed be a step you take should you consider yourself at risk. Here's a good chart:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/coronavirus-news-us-symptoms-cdc-covid19-chart-faq

That’s from March 6, old in COVID19 years.

Here is what you do: if you’re not sure if you should go to the ER, call your doctor and do what they say. If you’re having difficulty breathing or are in severe pain, go to the ER just like you would if we weren’t worried about a COVID19 outbreak.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: my doctor was going to have me tested for coronavirus but after the news conference not so much. Should I send my kids to school tomorrow? They are in second and fifth.

You think you may be infected? No, don’t send your kids to school.

Why did the news conference change that decision?

I don’t know if it did. Yesterday he said I should get tested if my fever went another day, today he just said “checked out” and talked a lot about vital signs. He said to go to the urgent care today but before I left I realize my fever is lower than I thought (it’s 99, not 100 which is what it was when I spoke with my doctor), and the urgent care just sucks and I bet they’ll be like “why did you come here for a fever of 99?”, soI will just call the doctor back tomorrow. I’m really not worried about myself, I was just wondering about my kids.

If you think you have the coronavirus, urgent care/PCP is probably not the place to go because they won't have containment facilities. If you had it, you'd likely spread it to staff and other patients. Guidance is to go to ERs, which are equipped to isolate you should test positive.

Oh and call ahead before you go so they can prepare

At this point with the pitiful track record thus far in our nation and the inadequate health apparatus there’s no way I’d call ahead. They would only tell you not to come. Screw that. If I think I have a disease that’s killing people and so far misunderstood I would show up at the ER and refuse to leave. Test me. Admit me.

But don't you think you would be doing your community a favor by just staying home? Not infecting people in the ER, not taking up a bed unnecessarily? They should be reserved for only those who need them.

PP is just saying go, don’t ask, not “go even though you don’t really need to go.” I think the best thing, if it can happen, is if your doctor instructs you to go and *the doctor* calls ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: my doctor was going to have me tested for coronavirus but after the news conference not so much. Should I send my kids to school tomorrow? They are in second and fifth.

You think you may be infected? No, don’t send your kids to school.

Why did the news conference change that decision?

I don’t know if it did. Yesterday he said I should get tested if my fever went another day, today he just said “checked out” and talked a lot about vital signs. He said to go to the urgent care today but before I left I realize my fever is lower than I thought (it’s 99, not 100 which is what it was when I spoke with my doctor), and the urgent care just sucks and I bet they’ll be like “why did you come here for a fever of 99?”, soI will just call the doctor back tomorrow. I’m really not worried about myself, I was just wondering about my kids.

If you think you have the coronavirus, urgent care/PCP is probably not the place to go because they won't have containment facilities. If you had it, you'd likely spread it to staff and other patients. Guidance is to go to ERs, which are equipped to isolate you should test positive.

Oh and call ahead before you go so they can prepare

At this point with the pitiful track record thus far in our nation and the inadequate health apparatus there’s no way I’d call ahead. They would only tell you not to come. Screw that. If I think I have a disease that’s killing people and so far misunderstood I would show up at the ER and refuse to leave. Test me. Admit me.

You seem to completely misunderstand the virus.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: my doctor was going to have me tested for coronavirus but after the news conference not so much. Should I send my kids to school tomorrow? They are in second and fifth.

You think you may be infected? No, don’t send your kids to school.

Why did the news conference change that decision?

I don’t know if it did. Yesterday he said I should get tested if my fever went another day, today he just said “checked out” and talked a lot about vital signs. He said to go to the urgent care today but before I left I realize my fever is lower than I thought (it’s 99, not 100 which is what it was when I spoke with my doctor), and the urgent care just sucks and I bet they’ll be like “why did you come here for a fever of 99?”, soI will just call the doctor back tomorrow. I’m really not worried about myself, I was just wondering about my kids.

If you think you have the coronavirus, urgent care/PCP is probably not the place to go because they won't have containment facilities. If you had it, you'd likely spread it to staff and other patients. Guidance is to go to ERs, which are equipped to isolate you should test positive.

Oh and call ahead before you go so they can prepare

At this point with the pitiful track record thus far in our nation and the inadequate health apparatus there’s no way I’d call ahead. They would only tell you not to come. Screw that. If I think I have a disease that’s killing people and so far misunderstood I would show up at the ER and refuse to leave. Test me. Admit me.

But don't you think you would be doing your community a favor by just staying home? Not infecting people in the ER, not taking up a bed unnecessarily? They should be reserved for only those who need them.

But it’s clear that the Trump administration and the health system he is directing and influencing is trying its damndest NOT to test people, either because they desperately want to keep everyone from knowing how woefully ill prepared we are for testing or because they don’t want the positive numbers to be tallied and reported. Stay ignorant and we wont have to admit that it’s an epidemic.

Nowhere does it suggest going to the ER and demanding a bed be a step you take should you consider yourself at risk. Here's a good chart:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/coronavirus-news-us-symptoms-cdc-covid19-chart-faq

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Anonymous wrote:Question: my doctor was going to have me tested for coronavirus but after the news conference not so much. Should I send my kids to school tomorrow? They are in second and fifth.

You think you may be infected? No, don’t send your kids to school.

Why did the news conference change that decision?

I don’t know if it did. Yesterday he said I should get tested if my fever went another day, today he just said “checked out” and talked a lot about vital signs. He said to go to the urgent care today but before I left I realize my fever is lower than I thought (it’s 99, not 100 which is what it was when I spoke with my doctor), and the urgent care just sucks and I bet they’ll be like “why did you come here for a fever of 99?”, soI will just call the doctor back tomorrow. I’m really not worried about myself, I was just wondering about my kids.

If you think you have the coronavirus, urgent care/PCP is probably not the place to go because they won't have containment facilities. If you had it, you'd likely spread it to staff and other patients. Guidance is to go to ERs, which are equipped to isolate you should test positive.

Oh and call ahead before you go so they can prepare

At this point with the pitiful track record thus far in our nation and the inadequate health apparatus there’s no way I’d call ahead. They would only tell you not to come. Screw that. If I think I have a disease that’s killing people and so far misunderstood I would show up at the ER and refuse to leave. Test me. Admit me.

But don't you think you would be doing your community a favor by just staying home? Not infecting people in the ER, not taking up a bed unnecessarily? They should be reserved for only those who need them.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: my doctor was going to have me tested for coronavirus but after the news conference not so much. Should I send my kids to school tomorrow? They are in second and fifth.

You think you may be infected? No, don’t send your kids to school.

Why did the news conference change that decision?

I don’t know if it did. Yesterday he said I should get tested if my fever went another day, today he just said “checked out” and talked a lot about vital signs. He said to go to the urgent care today but before I left I realize my fever is lower than I thought (it’s 99, not 100 which is what it was when I spoke with my doctor), and the urgent care just sucks and I bet they’ll be like “why did you come here for a fever of 99?”, soI will just call the doctor back tomorrow. I’m really not worried about myself, I was just wondering about my kids.

If you think you have the coronavirus, urgent care/PCP is probably not the place to go because they won't have containment facilities. If you had it, you'd likely spread it to staff and other patients. Guidance is to go to ERs, which are equipped to isolate you should test positive.

Oh and call ahead before you go so they can prepare

At this point with the pitiful track record thus far in our nation and the inadequate health apparatus there’s no way I’d call ahead. They would only tell you not to come. Screw that. If I think I have a disease that’s killing people and so far misunderstood I would show up at the ER and refuse to leave. Test me. Admit me.

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Anonymous wrote:Timeline of DC rector's illness, according to WaPo's Fenit Nirappil:

2/22 - Attended an Episcopal conference in Louisville, KY
~2/24 - Diagnosed with flu
2/29 - Seemed healthier
3/1 - Appeared healthy for church services
March 2/3 - Health declined
3/5 - Hospitalized
3/9 - Tested +

Widespread community transmission is HERE.

I've read elsewhere that the course of Covid-19 often includes an improvement followed by deterioration. Is it always the case? Anyone know why?

But does diagnosed with flu mean through an actual test? Is there any reason to think coronavirus would produce a positive flu test? If not, isn’t it more likely he acquired coronavirus after the flu?

Or more likely he had both at the same time

That poor man, that really sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Any one know about this church’s services? Is this a church where the rector would shake hands with every congregant? Bc that’s a lot of contact.

Active involvement and yes. https://georgetowner.com/articles/2017/12/01/timothy-r-cole-new-priest-block/

He also has a son, I wonder where the kid goes to school? I wouldn't be surprised if the son goes to one of the Episcopal day schools in DC. He was also diagnosed with the flu a few weeks ago, don't know if it was clinical or with a test. This case is considered a community transmission.

The other clergy and staff that work closely with him every day also have kids. There's nothing about quarantining any of them. Testing isn't enough. Quarantine plus 2-3 tests and daily temperatures. How can we suck so badly?????????

Does anyone know whether DC (or MD/VA if they live there) is testing the parishioners

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Anonymous wrote:How large is the congregation? Where do they work?

CNN article says a lot of government officials are congregants

Can you post a link? Not seeing it. Thanks.

Oops sorry - it was CBS, not CNN. Here is the link- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-timothy-cole-rector-dc-christ-church-georgetown-tests-positive/

Thanks, very informative, including the video interview with Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner

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Anonymous wrote:Timeline of DC rector's illness, according to WaPo's Fenit Nirappil:

2/22 - Attended an Episcopal conference in Louisville, KY
~2/24 - Diagnosed with flu
2/29 - Seemed healthier
3/1 - Appeared healthy for church services
March 2/3 - Health declined
3/5 - Hospitalized
3/9 - Tested +

Widespread community transmission is HERE.

I've read elsewhere that the course of Covid-19 often includes an improvement followed by deterioration. Is it always the case? Anyone know why?

But does diagnosed with flu mean through an actual test? Is there any reason to think coronavirus would produce a positive flu test? If not, isn’t it more likely he acquired coronavirus after the flu?

Or more likely he had both at the same time