Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 13:03     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the challenges with privacy is that there are live flight trackers. The instant the crash happened, there were pics of smoke on Twitter and also people who had been watching flight trackers were quickly able to see that a crash had happened. The flight tracker sites provide information on the model of aircraft, the tail number, the registered owner, and a lot of other information.

The registered owner was Island Express Holding Corp and the tail number is N72EX. There are flight enthusiasts who knew immediately that this was Kobe's helicopter. They wouldn't have had any idea if he was on it but they have all the information about the flight and that his helicopter crashed. This is public information on public sites.

Here is an example of a flight tracker page for this flight
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72EX/history/20200126/1708Z/tracklog

The linked registration page on that site
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N72EX

So speculation about Kobe being on the helicopter would have started within minutes of the crash.


The news did not spread by a random flight enthusiast or a resident, they just don't have the followers for that to happen. It spread from a news outlet and typically it spread from news outlets or reporter's tweets.


That's true but reporters these days use all kind of sources and regularly watch Twitter/Reddit/other sites for breaking 'news'. News that local people or enthusiasts are talking about before anyone else. All they have to do is keep Google 'alerts' or pay a couple bucks a month for a site-searching software to get the scoop.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 13:01     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the challenges with privacy is that there are live flight trackers. The instant the crash happened, there were pics of smoke on Twitter and also people who had been watching flight trackers were quickly able to see that a crash had happened. The flight tracker sites provide information on the model of aircraft, the tail number, the registered owner, and a lot of other information.

The registered owner was Island Express Holding Corp and the tail number is N72EX. There are flight enthusiasts who knew immediately that this was Kobe's helicopter. They wouldn't have had any idea if he was on it but they have all the information about the flight and that his helicopter crashed. This is public information on public sites.

Here is an example of a flight tracker page for this flight
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72EX/history/20200126/1708Z/tracklog

The linked registration page on that site
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N72EX

So speculation about Kobe being on the helicopter would have started within minutes of the crash.


The news did not spread by a random flight enthusiast or a resident, they just don't have the followers for that to happen. It spread from a news outlet and typically it spread from news outlets or reporter's tweets.


Oh I agree, I just meant that news sources can get it from posts on Twitter by flight enthusiasts. They then spread it quickly.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:58     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's


I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.


And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!


That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!


this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:49     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:One of the challenges with privacy is that there are live flight trackers. The instant the crash happened, there were pics of smoke on Twitter and also people who had been watching flight trackers were quickly able to see that a crash had happened. The flight tracker sites provide information on the model of aircraft, the tail number, the registered owner, and a lot of other information.

The registered owner was Island Express Holding Corp and the tail number is N72EX. There are flight enthusiasts who knew immediately that this was Kobe's helicopter. They wouldn't have had any idea if he was on it but they have all the information about the flight and that his helicopter crashed. This is public information on public sites.

Here is an example of a flight tracker page for this flight
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72EX/history/20200126/1708Z/tracklog

The linked registration page on that site
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N72EX

So speculation about Kobe being on the helicopter would have started within minutes of the crash.


The news did not spread by a random flight enthusiast or a resident, they just don't have the followers for that to happen. It spread from a news outlet and typically it spread from news outlets or reporter's tweets.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:48     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's


I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.


And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!


That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:45     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.


No it would not be unconstitutional. Freedom of speech is not absolute and we already have plenty of restrictions based on the harm principle. We should treat victims and loved ones of such tragedies with dignity. No news outlet should release names of victims until they have been released by the appropriate authorities. It's that simple.


I agree. And there should be a substantial fine. If a non news person wants to leak it on personal social media, harder to enforce, but at least get the companies to comply.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:26     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
One of the challenges with privacy is that there are live flight trackers. The instant the crash happened, there were pics of smoke on Twitter and also people who had been watching flight trackers were quickly able to see that a crash had happened. The flight tracker sites provide information on the model of aircraft, the tail number, the registered owner, and a lot of other information.

The registered owner was Island Express Holding Corp and the tail number is N72EX. There are flight enthusiasts who knew immediately that this was Kobe's helicopter. They wouldn't have had any idea if he was on it but they have all the information about the flight and that his helicopter crashed. This is public information on public sites.

Here is an example of a flight tracker page for this flight
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72EX/history/20200126/1708Z/tracklog

The linked registration page on that site
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N72EX

So speculation about Kobe being on the helicopter would have started within minutes of the crash.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:16     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's


I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.


And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:07     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's


I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:04     Subject: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:04     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.


No it would not be unconstitutional. Freedom of speech is not absolute and we already have plenty of restrictions based on the harm principle. We should treat victims and loved ones of such tragedies with dignity. No news outlet should release names of victims until they have been released by the appropriate authorities. It's that simple.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:03     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.


Initiating social media regulation sounds like it could be a long drawn out battle with no end in sight.
You know there's a perfectly reasonable alternative option available to everyone who's fatigued or perturbed by trending chatter...

Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:02     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
LA Times had a special section with this moving photo on the back.

Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 12:00     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.


The type where someone dies, and someone’s unproven and unconvicted accusations aren’t put on blast about someone who died a mere 3 hours ago.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2020 11:50     Subject: Re:Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)
Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.