Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:58
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.
In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.
The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g
PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.
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Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:57
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Almost two-thirds of Border Patrol apprehensions are of parents and their children. While we don’t have complete historical data, it seems likely that more families are coming to the US without papers than ever before. Additionally, a large share of migrants (both families and single adults) are expressing a desire to seek asylum.
Both groups are overwhelmingly coming from the Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump
This graph is something we are supposed to be excited about? Because even though there isn’t complete historical data to compare it to?
An 11 year high of illegal immigration is not positive. And explains why BP is having issues dealing.
That graph is number of apprehensions NOT immigrant arrivals, which are down. Nice try liar. So trump admin is arresting many of them even though overall numbers are down. Not surprising at all.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:56
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.
In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.
The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g
PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:54
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Almost two-thirds of Border Patrol apprehensions are of parents and their children. While we don’t have complete historical data, it seems likely that more families are coming to the US without papers than ever before. Additionally, a large share of migrants (both families and single adults) are expressing a desire to seek asylum.
Both groups are overwhelmingly coming from the Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump
This graph is something we are supposed to be excited about? Because even though there isn’t complete historical data to compare it to?
An 11 year high of illegal immigration is not positive. And explains why BP is having issues dealing.
What a disheartening graph. How can people claim illegals are coming at an all time low? Not true. It’s getting worse.
The same pew research has released long term data that illegal immigration is at an all time low. Did you even care to read the article? It says that illegal immigration is low but this time families are coming from central America because of years long drought/famine. Also that graph is misleading. It shows the number of apprehension. So trump admin is arresting everyone thus increasing the apprehensions Even when overall numbers are down.
This is why data needs intelligence to interpret it correctly and learn the right lessons.
Pew research below shows that overall numbers are down but from Central America is up.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:53
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.
America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.
Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.
Snowflake.
Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.
She grifted off the Republicans. Liberals can’t come up with their own verbiage.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:50
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
“federal taxpayers”
Those are not the only taxpayers. People like to cherry pick the data for federal only since a large amount of the costs of illegal and low skill immigrant HOUSEHOLDS are at the local and state level while most of the taxes they are paying are payroll ones at the federal level. Of course that math makes it look good when you only look federal and not at the whole cost of the family at all tax levels.
Those are not the only taxpayers. People like to cherry pick the data for federal only since a large amount of the costs of illegal and low skill immigrant HOUSEHOLDS are at the local and state level while most of the taxes they are paying are payroll ones at the federal level. Of course that math makes it look good when you only look federal and not at the whole cost of the family at all tax levels.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:48
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer
2013 better? This is the kind knfor the heritage piece referenced above.
2013 better? This is the kind knfor the heritage piece referenced above.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:48
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States
“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7
A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”
The Heritage Foundation is bullshit when it comes to immigration studies. The libertarian Cato Institute argued that the "2007 report's flawed methodology produced a grossly exaggerated cost to federal taxpayers of legalizing unauthorized immigrants while undercounting or discounting their positive tax and economic contributions - greatly affecting the 2007 immigration reform debate."
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:44
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.
America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.
Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.
Snowflake.
Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:43
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Almost two-thirds of Border Patrol apprehensions are of parents and their children. While we don’t have complete historical data, it seems likely that more families are coming to the US without papers than ever before. Additionally, a large share of migrants (both families and single adults) are expressing a desire to seek asylum.
Both groups are overwhelmingly coming from the Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump
This graph is something we are supposed to be excited about? Because even though there isn’t complete historical data to compare it to?
An 11 year high of illegal immigration is not positive. And explains why BP is having issues dealing.
What a disheartening graph. How can people claim illegals are coming at an all time low? Not true. It’s getting worse.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:40
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.
In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.
The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:40
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.
How funny. The PPP (you?) made yet *another* hateful remark about red staters and all you can do is call out the rebuttal? I don’t “hate” liberals. I just have zero respect for you and zero intention of ever voting for one of your moronic candidates.
Your kids will hate you for the shitty world you left behind because you're too emotionally fragile to choose good policies if someone hurts your feelings.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:38
Subject: Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.
America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.
Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.
Snowflake.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:32
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.
Anonymous
06/30/2019 15:31
Subject: Re:Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"
The high school teacher who posted about school issues has her answer in the pew research data, if only she reads and learns. MD is one the state that had an increase in illegal immigration, probably due its proximity to DC. But there are significant decrease in CA and other west coast states, NY,FL, IL etc.
This is why data is important. There is a major decline overall but MD and few other states are an exception.
This is why data is important. There is a major decline overall but MD and few other states are an exception.