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The fatal flaw in your argument is your belief that abortion opponents care about outcomes for women. They don't.

They usually care about public assistance, though.

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The fatal flaw in your argument is your belief that abortion opponents care about outcomes for women. They don't.

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Anonymous wrote: “If fertilized eggs are morally equivalent to born people why aren’t we devoting tremendous research dollars to stopping miscarriages?” - bioethicist Katie Watson

So this bioethicist doesn't consider prenatal health advances and funding in our country as ethical? Hmm.

Given the high miscarriage rate and our generally dismal statistics on pregnancy outcomes compared to other developed nations, I'd say our efforts to take care of those babies is ethically lacking.

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No, you got it all wrong. We don't want you to procreate at all. Use birth control, have as much sex as you want, don't procreate.

Bullshit. The right loses its mind every time you try to teach kids about birth control or make birth control more easily available. These are the same assholes who oppose the HPV vaccine even though it prevents cervical cancer because getting the vaccine encourages promiscuity.

We don't want it for our kids. You can do whatever you want. As long as you are sterilized.

Even sterilization has failure rates.

Ummm, no it wouldn't, because both partners would get sterilized.

What if they’re not done having children yet?

They forfeited their right to have children by allowing slaughter of over 60 million of Americans since RwW. Despite historically unprecedented freedom of choice of contraceptives, despite all rights and amazing opportunities, you chose careless sex and abortion as a form of contraception. The more choices you had to not procreate at a whim the more disdain you showed for unborn life. Sometimes having too many choices clearly leads to complete moral demise. No, please don't start with rape and incest. Everyone knows this is the tiny percentage of all abortions. Stop using rape and incest as proxy for easy access to murder for convenience.

You're welcome to have your own religion but you don't get to enforce your religion on other people.

I am an atheist. The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one. One does not need fairytales to clearly see a human being on the ultrasound. One does not need religion to understand that zygote and onwards is a person. You just need brain cells.

Cool. So, quick hypothetical for you: you're in an IVF clinic, and the clinic is burning down. On your right is a canister with 5000 frozen fertilized eggs. On your left is a screaming 3 year old. You can't carry both. Which do you leave behind?

That reminds me ... who goes away for mass murder when a clinic has a power outage and loses embryos?

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No, you got it all wrong. We don't want you to procreate at all. Use birth control, have as much sex as you want, don't procreate.

Bullshit. The right loses its mind every time you try to teach kids about birth control or make birth control more easily available. These are the same assholes who oppose the HPV vaccine even though it prevents cervical cancer because getting the vaccine encourages promiscuity.

We don't want it for our kids. You can do whatever you want. As long as you are sterilized.

Even sterilization has failure rates.

Ummm, no it wouldn't, because both partners would get sterilized.

What if they’re not done having children yet?

They forfeited their right to have children by allowing slaughter of over 60 million of Americans since RwW. Despite historically unprecedented freedom of choice of contraceptives, despite all rights and amazing opportunities, you chose careless sex and abortion as a form of contraception. The more choices you had to not procreate at a whim the more disdain you showed for unborn life. Sometimes having too many choices clearly leads to complete moral demise. No, please don't start with rape and incest. Everyone knows this is the tiny percentage of all abortions. Stop using rape and incest as proxy for easy access to murder for convenience.

You're welcome to have your own religion but you don't get to enforce your religion on other people.

I am an atheist. The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one. One does not need fairytales to clearly see a human being on the ultrasound. One does not need religion to understand that zygote and onwards is a person. You just need brain cells.

Cool. So, quick hypothetical for you: you're in an IVF clinic, and the clinic is burning down. On your right is a canister with 5000 frozen fertilized eggs. On your left is a screaming 3 year old. You can't carry both. Which do you leave behind?

*doctors

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The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one.

Yeah, still need some proof of that, just like on the last thread.

“Feminists for Life” might be a useful place to start.

What’s their growth rate?

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If a woman shows up at a hospital, losing her pregnancy - how will you determine who is having a miscarriage and who deliberately ended it? Pregnancy loss from taking an abortion pill is indistinguishable from miscarriage.

Still no input on this one. Hmmmm.

Do Todd should be required to perform blood tests on any woman who is miscarrying to detect if she's used drugs, alcohol, or nicotine so she can be prosecuted for murder if positive.

They should also be required to report all miscarriages for further investigation. If she's previously expressed regret over being pregnant, she can be prosecuted.

Pharmacists should report any woman who fills a prescription for misoprostol.

These can all go into a database for cross referencing a data mining. If a woman is more likely to be in a situation where she's more likely to want an abortion .. ie. Multiple children already, poor, student, teenager... that can be used to determine who should be investigated further.

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The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one.

Yeah, still need some proof of that, just like on the last thread.

“Feminists for Life” might be a useful place to start.

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Anonymous wrote: “If fertilized eggs are morally equivalent to born people why aren’t we devoting tremendous research dollars to stopping miscarriages?” - bioethicist Katie Watson

So this bioethicist doesn't consider prenatal health advances and funding in our country as ethical? Hmm.

What’s the percentage of research dollars devoted to prenatal health advances compared to everything else? When 15-20% of all pregnancies in the U.S. end in miscarriage? Why aren’t we helping all those victims of this devastation?

The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one.

Yeah, still need some proof of that, just like on the last thread.

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I am an atheist. The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one. One does not need fairytales to clearly see a human being on the ultrasound. One does not need religion to understand that zygote and onwards is a person. You just need brain cells.

If it can not exist outside of my uterus, sorry, it is NOT a person. It does not have equal rights to me. I am the woman who is pregnant and I am the one who says what happens inside my own body. Not religious people, not atheist people, NO ONE but me because it is my body.

You are welcome to try to convince and persuade me ... not to get pregnant... or to have the baby if I am pregnant. Show me how much you care for children and convince me that it's great to have babies, absolutely. But YOU don't get to decide.

Younger generations aren't having sex anymore, so this really isn't a problem.

/sarcasm

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No, you got it all wrong. We don't want you to procreate at all. Use birth control, have as much sex as you want, don't procreate.

Bullshit. The right loses its mind every time you try to teach kids about birth control or make birth control more easily available. These are the same assholes who oppose the HPV vaccine even though it prevents cervical cancer because getting the vaccine encourages promiscuity.

We don't want it for our kids. You can do whatever you want. As long as you are sterilized.

Even sterilization has failure rates.

Ummm, no it wouldn't, because both partners would get sterilized.

What if they’re not done having children yet?

They forfeited their right to have children by allowing slaughter of over 60 million of Americans since RwW. Despite historically unprecedented freedom of choice of contraceptives, despite all rights and amazing opportunities, you chose careless sex and abortion as a form of contraception. The more choices you had to not procreate at a whim the more disdain you showed for unborn life. Sometimes having too many choices clearly leads to complete moral demise. No, please don't start with rape and incest. Everyone knows this is the tiny percentage of all abortions. Stop using rape and incest as proxy for easy access to murder for convenience.

You're welcome to have your own religion but you don't get to enforce your religion on other people.

I am an atheist. The secular pro-life movement is growing as fast as religious one. One does not need fairytales to clearly see a human being on the ultrasound. One does not need religion to understand that zygote and onwards is a person. You just need brain cells.

True.

But what happens if a 6-week pregnant woman falls down the stairs by accident and loses the baby? Is it a forced abortion there? Or do we arrest her?

What kind of accountability will be enforced to monitor this kind of craziness that these laws encourage?

Prediction for GA: Film industry moves out and goes to CA.

University of these schools go bankrupt as fewer people send their kids out of state to here (and the stupidity magnifies as a result.)