Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.
Of course it doesn’t seem complicated if you know how to do it and don’t find it intimidating. I am not making this up. There are people I know who DO NOT feel comfortable going a place they have never been and just winging it themselves. So they don’t. They know how to vacation. They do not know how to travel.
Please, just because they have no desire to go to London doesn’t mean they don’t know how or that there is much skill involved. Effort yes, skill no. Some people prefer familiar things and there is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything inherently virtuous about “cool” or international travel vs OBX.
I think you missed pp’s point. Obviously there are lots of people who are well traveled internationally but would prefer to sit at their beach house in MD. Nothing wrong with that at all. Doesn’t change the fact that planning an international trip is intimidating for those who never traveled farther than the smoky mountains.
Exactly. We are talking about two different groups of people. Yes some people can and know how to travel and don’t by choice. Some people LITERALLY DONT KNOW because they’ve never done it. I have no idea why people are pretending the first group existing means the second doesn’t.
Yup. This is my DH's family to some extent. They talk about wanting to travel but simply don't know how. I have planned and gone on some trips with them and it's hard. Even stuff like "how will I get to and from the airport", they need help with. They worry a lot about money when they travel, even though they have plenty of money for the kinds of trips we take, simply because they are very nervous about the unknown. I think they are also very ripe for getting taken advantage of because of how inexperienced they are -- I think about the grifters who prey on travelers in a lot of popular tourist destinations and how some of my ILs might not understand the grift at all.
My DH is not this naive, but before we met, most of his travel was arranged by other people. He'd been on great trips organized by friends and classmates where his job was to show up on time and book his own air travel, which he can handle. Even now, I definitely do most of the planning because I'm just better at it, though I definitely encourage him to do a lot more of it simply so he understands how it works a bit more. We are absolutely showing our kid how to travel, and that it doesn't have to be expensive or fancy, so that she has more options as an adult.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Camping, closest beaches, theme parks (smaller ones like Six Flags, Hershey and Lake Compounce, not Disney)
There are TONS of LMC families at Disney. Not sure how. I’m guessing they save for years as a dream vacation.
The LMC at Disney are almost all from Florida or driving distance. They don't pay for air or hotel and they pay instate rates and/or get a pass.
I would guess, on average, out of state visitors have at least twice hte income of the typical instate visitor.
This, the "locals' at Disney are totally different from the non locals.
Yeah, I agree with this. My brother is a gay doctor from NYC and he does fancy gay Disney and it's a world away from the way locals do disney lol.
I want to hear more about fancy gay Disney!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.
Of course it doesn’t seem complicated if you know how to do it and don’t find it intimidating. I am not making this up. There are people I know who DO NOT feel comfortable going a place they have never been and just winging it themselves. So they don’t. They know how to vacation. They do not know how to travel.
Please, just because they have no desire to go to London doesn’t mean they don’t know how or that there is much skill involved. Effort yes, skill no. Some people prefer familiar things and there is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything inherently virtuous about “cool” or international travel vs OBX.
I think you missed pp’s point. Obviously there are lots of people who are well traveled internationally but would prefer to sit at their beach house in MD. Nothing wrong with that at all. Doesn’t change the fact that planning an international trip is intimidating for those who never traveled farther than the smoky mountains.
Exactly. We are talking about two different groups of people. Yes some people can and know how to travel and don’t by choice. Some people LITERALLY DONT KNOW because they’ve never done it. I have no idea why people are pretending the first group existing means the second doesn’t.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Camping, closest beaches, theme parks (smaller ones like Six Flags, Hershey and Lake Compounce, not Disney)
There are TONS of LMC families at Disney. Not sure how. I’m guessing they save for years as a dream vacation.
Lots of people who live in Florida or Georgia buy yearly passes and only go to Disney for vacation and stay in cheap hotels. Source: used to live in Georgia.
When we were stationed in Germany with the military our military neighbors took all their vacations at euro Disney. Saw nothing else in Europe. Strange.
Enlisted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.
Of course it doesn’t seem complicated if you know how to do it and don’t find it intimidating. I am not making this up. There are people I know who DO NOT feel comfortable going a place they have never been and just winging it themselves. So they don’t. They know how to vacation. They do not know how to travel.
Please, just because they have no desire to go to London doesn’t mean they don’t know how or that there is much skill involved. Effort yes, skill no. Some people prefer familiar things and there is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything inherently virtuous about “cool” or international travel vs OBX.
I think you missed pp’s point. Obviously there are lots of people who are well traveled internationally but would prefer to sit at their beach house in MD. Nothing wrong with that at all. Doesn’t change the fact that planning an international trip is intimidating for those who never traveled farther than the smoky mountains.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Camping, closest beaches, theme parks (smaller ones like Six Flags, Hershey and Lake Compounce, not Disney)
There are TONS of LMC families at Disney. Not sure how. I’m guessing they save for years as a dream vacation.
Lots of people who live in Florida or Georgia buy yearly passes and only go to Disney for vacation and stay in cheap hotels. Source: used to live in Georgia.
When we were stationed in Germany with the military our military neighbors took all their vacations at euro Disney. Saw nothing else in Europe. Strange.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Camping, closest beaches, theme parks (smaller ones like Six Flags, Hershey and Lake Compounce, not Disney)
There are TONS of LMC families at Disney. Not sure how. I’m guessing they save for years as a dream vacation.
Lots of people who live in Florida or Georgia buy yearly passes and only go to Disney for vacation and stay in cheap hotels. Source: used to live in Georgia.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Millions of possibilities. Sounds like you’re fixated on what you don’t have.
I feel like people who say this usually have plenty or at least enough. It’s like saying money doesn’t buy happiness while living in a McMansion and being well off…
Anonymous wrote:Millions of possibilities. Sounds like you’re fixated on what you don’t have.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.
Of course it doesn’t seem complicated if you know how to do it and don’t find it intimidating. I am not making this up. There are people I know who DO NOT feel comfortable going a place they have never been and just winging it themselves. So they don’t. They know how to vacation. They do not know how to travel.
Please, just because they have no desire to go to London doesn’t mean they don’t know how or that there is much skill involved. Effort yes, skill no. Some people prefer familiar things and there is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything inherently virtuous about “cool” or international travel vs OBX.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.
Of course it doesn’t seem complicated if you know how to do it and don’t find it intimidating. I am not making this up. There are people I know who DO NOT feel comfortable going a place they have never been and just winging it themselves. So they don’t. They know how to vacation. They do not know how to travel.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think how much and where you go is a combination of your values and your income; many LMC and MC families I know may have unusually nice cars or tvs but don't travel. Not everyone cares to and I certainly don't begrudge them their choices. My DH grew up more middle class than me and barely ever traveled beyond his own state until he was in high school and started traveling b/c of his extracurriculars.
This is kind of us. We're in the middle income wise. While we don't do extravagant travel, it's still pretty nice. The tradeoff is our cars. They're functional, but we drive them into the ground and don't make having a nice car a priority.
A lot of people didn’t grow up traveling and as adults they have the means but literally don’t know how. Or they know how to get themselves to a beach and sit on it one week a year. But they don’t know how to plan for a trip to a city or country they’ve never been to. The notion of going somewhere they’ve never been, walking around, becoming part of the local culture temporarily, seeing the interesting unique things every area has to offer never crosses their mind because they never have done it. I am so grateful my dad prioritized that for us growing up. My family takes the coolest trips because I know how to travel. Friends of mine with more money just take cruises or go to OBX despite having the means for way better travel. But it’s a skill they don’t have.
I think it’s more of a generational thing as well. I didn’t grow up going be to lots of places but can plan a trip pretty well. Because you…the internet. It’s not a complicated skill like you make it sound.