Anonymous
06/16/2018 18:45
Subject: How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harvard is discriminating plain and simple. They are using a stricter standard for evaluating Asians to make sure that just under 20% are admitted. That is the problem. Not their use of race in admission which is legal for now.
They are deliberately scoring Asians lower on personal attributes so that they can reject them. Their scoring system shows a clear animus towards Asians.
If the race of the applicant were hidden, the Asian application would get higher personality scores
This. It is exactly like if Harvard looked at a black kid with perfect GPA from an urban school and gave him a 3 or 4 rating by saying "Meh, that school is not really rigorous" but turned around and have ab White kid with a 3.0 GPA a 2 rating because he went b to a better school. Do that often enough and black kids could never get by the gate.
??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 18:41
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
From the article (seems like so many posters are taking the plaintiffs allegations as fact).
Harvard vigorously disagreed on Friday, saying that its own expert analysis showed no discrimination and that seeking diversity is a valuable part of student selection. The university lashed out at the founder of Students for Fair Admissions, Edward Blum, accusing him of using Harvard to replay a previous challenge to affirmative action in college admissions, Fisher v. the University of Texas at Austin. In its 2016 decision in that case, the Supreme Court ruled that race could be used as one of many factors in admissions.[/b
[b]“Thorough and comprehensive analysis of the data and evidence makes clear that Harvard College does not discriminate against applicants from any group, including Asian-Americans, whose rate of admission has grown 29 percent over the last decade,” Harvard said in a statement. “Mr. Blum and his organization’s incomplete and misleading data analysis paint a dangerously inaccurate picture of Harvard College’s whole-person admissions process by omitting critical data and information factors.”
Harvard vigorously disagreed on Friday, saying that its own expert analysis showed no discrimination and that seeking diversity is a valuable part of student selection. The university lashed out at the founder of Students for Fair Admissions, Edward Blum, accusing him of using Harvard to replay a previous challenge to affirmative action in college admissions, Fisher v. the University of Texas at Austin. In its 2016 decision in that case, the Supreme Court ruled that race could be used as one of many factors in admissions.[/b
[b]“Thorough and comprehensive analysis of the data and evidence makes clear that Harvard College does not discriminate against applicants from any group, including Asian-Americans, whose rate of admission has grown 29 percent over the last decade,” Harvard said in a statement. “Mr. Blum and his organization’s incomplete and misleading data analysis paint a dangerously inaccurate picture of Harvard College’s whole-person admissions process by omitting critical data and information factors.”
Anonymous
06/16/2018 18:40
Subject: How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Harvard is discriminating plain and simple. They are using a stricter standard for evaluating Asians to make sure that just under 20% are admitted. That is the problem. Not their use of race in admission which is legal for now.
They are deliberately scoring Asians lower on personal attributes so that they can reject them. Their scoring system shows a clear animus towards Asians.
If the race of the applicant were hidden, the Asian application would get higher personality scores
This. It is exactly like if Harvard looked at a black kid with perfect GPA from an urban school and gave him a 3 or 4 rating by saying "Meh, that school is not really rigorous" but turned around and have ab White kid with a 3.0 GPA a 2 rating because he went b to a better school. Do that often enough and black kids could never get by the gate.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 18:38
Subject: How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Harvard is discriminating plain and simple. They are using a stricter standard for evaluating Asians to make sure that just under 20% are admitted. That is the problem. Not their use of race in admission which is legal for now.
They are deliberately scoring Asians lower on personal attributes so that they can reject them. Their scoring system shows a clear animus towards Asians.
If the race of the applicant were hidden, the Asian application would get higher personality scores
22.7% were admitted this year.
Second, those "facts" are just the plaintiff's allegations; Harvard denies them and said it's studies show otherwise..
You say it's :discrimination": but is it illegal? No.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 18:28
Subject: How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Harvard is discriminating plain and simple. They are using a stricter standard for evaluating Asians to make sure that just under 20% are admitted. That is the problem. Not their use of race in admission which is legal for now.
They are deliberately scoring Asians lower on personal attributes so that they can reject them. Their scoring system shows a clear animus towards Asians.
If the race of the applicant were hidden, the Asian application would get higher personality scores
They are deliberately scoring Asians lower on personal attributes so that they can reject them. Their scoring system shows a clear animus towards Asians.
If the race of the applicant were hidden, the Asian application would get higher personality scores
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:48
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:If I were an Asian student at Harvard right now, I would be feeling so superior, knowing that I overcame a higher bar in every factor than any other race there.
Maybe Harvard is looking for people who are focused on the quality of the outcomes of their work, rather than their imagined ranking vis a vis their colleagues.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:44
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
??? They specifically are allowed to take race into account in shaping their class and this was decided in 2016 in Fisher v. UT (a case BTW that was brought and lost by the same plaintiff as this case), So I don't know what law they're breaking.
Regents of University of California v. Bakke (1978)
In Regents of University of California v. Bakke (1978), the Supreme Court ruled that a university's use of racial "quotas" in its admissions process was unconstitutional,
I understand you were responding to the poster who said, incorrectly, that Harvard was using a quota for Asians. Bakke did hold that race may be used as a factor in college admission decisions, however. WithHarvard, in recent years, the percent of minority admissions keeps going up and the percent of white students keeps going down. Obviously there are no hard "set-asides" as there was in in the Bakke case.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:41
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
If I were an Asian student at Harvard right now, I would be feeling so superior, knowing that I overcame a higher bar in every factor than any other race there.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:35
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
Oh no! Arrest them all! You have no idea of the admission criteria besides test scores and GPA. Being a valuable member of the university community is much more comprehensive than that[b]. Sorry if that doesn't agree with your view of the world but it is what it is. Harvard is for the future leaders who use creativity and personal skills AS WELL AS their intellect to make a difference in the world.
You're a broken record. I said even if asians are found to be better in all other factors, like recs, essay, ec's, whatever "soft" factors they're considering, they are having to meet a higher bar. ONCE AND FOR ALL, NOBODY is saying anyone should get in based on just gpa's & sat scores.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:32
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
??? They specifically are allowed to take race into account in shaping their class and this was decided in 2016 in Fisher v. UT (a case BTW that was brought and lost by the same plaintiff as this case), So I don't know what law they're breaking.
Regents of University of California v. Bakke (1978)
In Regents of University of California v. Bakke (1978), the Supreme Court ruled that a university's use of racial "quotas" in its admissions process was unconstitutional,
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:12
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
Oh no! Arrest them all! You have no idea of the admission criteria besides test scores and GPA. Being a valuable member of the university community is much more comprehensive than that. Sorry if that doesn't agree with your view of the world but it is what it is. Harvard is for the future leaders who use creativity and personal skills AS WELL AS their intellect to make a difference in the world.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 17:12
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
??? They specifically are allowed to take race into account in shaping their class and this was decided in 2016 in Fisher v. UT (a case BTW that was brought and lost by the same plaintiff as this case), So I don't know what law they're breaking.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 16:59
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.
Bingo. And you didn't know that the courts specifically told schools they were not allowed to do that in previous cases? You said it yourself. They're breaking the law.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 16:58
Subject: How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
TJ is not a good model for Harvard. Some of you folks need to stop comparing what TJ is doing to what Harvard should do. TJ is an isolated school and is an exception. There are other colleges that look like TJ...Harvard isn't and will never be one of those. Harvard is not a primary STEM school and the fact that people think of it that way explains a lot about them and why they should not go there.
Anonymous
06/16/2018 16:54
Subject: Re:How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All I know is Harvard engages in "racuial balancing" and that is perfectly legal.
sorry, racial
As a Harvard Alum, I agree that having a balanced class is valuable in the learning and social experience. The kids who came in with only high GPA/SAT scores added absolutely nothing to the experience and environment. I've also talked to a number of my former Asian classmates and none of them support this lawsuit. I don't think they want to be further stereotyped by an influx of high GPA/SAT robots.
You can't possibly be a Harvard alum because you're too dumb. Nobody gets into Harvard with just high gpa/sat score (especially asians). And don't you get it? Asians aren't saying that they should get in based on just high academic stats. What they're complaining about is that even if they have everything else (interesting ec's, great essay, interviews, recs...), they simply have a harder time getting in just because they're asians. As in, if you or anyone else was reading all of Harvard's applications (not just the test scores, gpas but everything going into the application) without knowing the applicant's race, you would be selecting way more asian applicants for admission. That's racial discrimination, that they're being excluded solely based on race and nothing else.
PP here: They are not being excluded because they're Asian. They are competing against other Asians and only a certain number can get in. That's not racial discrimination. It's a quota system or a planned number of each ethnicity. Stop acting that Harvard is racist. It's just a numbers game and the folks on the wrong side of the numbers are mad.