jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Donating money to Farrakhan, among other things, and refusing to acknowledge and condemn the man for his antisemetic beliefs speaks volumes.

I fully agree that both of those are very troubling and I hope he will suffer the legal consequences of the first. But, neither is an indication of him being "full of hate towards Jews". Indifference towards anti-Semitism, yes. But, not full of hate.

I sincerely hope you are right.

Anonymous wrote:DP from the few posts above.....

And there is NO way that he didn't know Rothschilds was code for Jews. How do I know? Because the excuse being given is that someone so idiotic as to think thar human beings can bring about a snowstorm would be ignorant enough not to know code for Jew. (He probably heard it at one of his Farrakhan meetings, in context with anti-Jew venom.)

And that excuse doesn't hold water. NOBODY over the age of 6, and more likely 3, would think that people could control the weather. certainly not a colelge graduate. Certainly not someone with a graduate degree. Trayon White knew exactly what was behind his remark. And all this twisting around in the wind to excuse it, while ATTACKING Jewish people who are objecting to it, demonstrates the efforts to which some people will go to deny evidence of antisemitism - and lash out at those who call it like it is.

You are wrong about what people over the age of 6 know. There is another White on the Council, Robert White. He is very well-respected. Here is an excerpt from his statement about Trayon White:

"As I have taken the time to learn more about how anti-Semitic conspiracy myths have been used to justify bigotry and hatred toward Jewish people, it made me sad to realize that, though I work closely with Jewish colleagues and advocates, I did not know something that was so central to their community's history of oppression and that it would be so painful for them."

Robert White further ads:

"I do believe that Councilmember Trayon White sincerely did not realize the implication of his statement, and I believe his apology is heartfelt."

His entire statement is here:

http://www.capitalwirepr.com/pr_description.php?id=1bbe05b6-a5ec-67f9-54b5-5ab1bd9fb6c1

If you honestly think that White espoused a conspiracy theory about weather control as an elaborate ruse to disseminate anti-Semitism, you are just as ignorant as he is. I've said from the beginning that the real issue with White is not his ignorance about the Rothschilds, but his ignorance about the weather. His conspiracy theory would have been just as bad if he had blamed a Southern Baptist family for controlling the weather.

There are several posters here who are very eager to find anti-Semitism where there is none. Your energy -- and mine -- would be much better spent combatting cases in which anti-Semitism is clear and obvious. This evening I removed a post from the MD Schools forum that said the following:

"Jewish moms are the most annoying, nosy and obnoxious - BAR NONE. Cringing from their nasal voices with their abrupt personal questions at a concert-level voice. It is embarrassing that they don’t realize it or maybe they just don’t care. Either way, awful."

Followed by a post saying:

"+100. Totally agree."

Nothing that White has said is even close to comparable to this. Instead of coming up with elaborate theories of "soft" or "hard" anti-Semitism depending on whether one is liberal or conservative or inventing anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist, we should be working together against posters like these two.

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Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

I don't misunderstand anything. Hate speech is hate speech. Ignorance is not a justification for disseminating vile conspiracy theories, especially about an ethnic or racial group. And his behavior at the Holocaust Museum was worse than doubling down. He walked out on his tour guide after making attempts to justify Nazi barbarism. That's not "an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism."

Why are you defending him?

DP point to me the exact phrase where Mr White explicitly blames Jews for the climate manipulation .

The Rothschilds were a wealthy Jewish family from Germany. There has been an antisemetic conspiracy theory surrounding the Rothschilds which emanated, I believe from the Nazis since the 1930’s or thereabouts. It is an age old antisemetic trope to blame the Rothschilds for all the bad in the world or to say thaT they control things. Anyone who knows anything about antisemetism knows that invoking the Rothschilds name is the same as saying the Jews. This could probably be explained better, but I gave it a shot.

He could've said the same thing about the koch brothers and there would be No gesticulation from you , you're well within your right to draw or attempt to parallels between his blaming the Rothschild for climate manipulation and anti Semitism , but what you won't do is pretend that you have the monopoly of the truth and that there's no difference between someone explicitly saying stuff like Jews are responsible for climate manipulation or Jews will not replace us and someone blaming a bunch of wealthy who happen to be Jewish ( a fact that he may or may not have known ) for climate manipulation.

Jews are not above reproach and criticizing someone who also happens to be Jewish , or spreading conspiracy theories about someone who happens to be Jewish and anti Semitism isn't mutually exclusive . From the onset some of you decided that it was anti Semitism and were certainly not expecting to be met with vigorous counter arguments that although not necsssrily defending Mr White, sought to push back against this troubling mindset that if you Jews deem something anti Semite then it must be so . IT IS NOT

So you're pissed that "we Jews" have decided it's antisemtitsm, yet you in your superior wisdom have decided IT IS NOT? So why do you get to decide?

And does it not concern you that (some) Jews find his remarks and actions offensive? For example, I once used "the" when I said "the blacks" and was criticized, soundly, for saying "the." I don't get why it's racist, because I refer to the Jews in that context plenty of times. Yet, because I was told it IS offensive, I never did it again. Why? Because I don't want to refer to black people in a way that (some at least) find offensive, even if I myself don't see that it is.

Amazing how the anger and pushback is being leveled at Jews who dare open their mouths when they see obvious antisemtitsm. It should be Trayon White you're condemning, not "us Jews."

Anonymous wrote:DP from the few posts above.....

And there is NO way that he didn't know Rothschilds was code for Jews. How do I know? Because the excuse being given is that someone so idiotic as to think thar human beings can bring about a snowstorm would be ignorant enough not to know code for Jew. (He probably heard it at one of his Farrakhan meetings, in context with anti-Jew venom.)

And that excuse doesn't hold water. NOBODY over the age of 6, and more likely 3, would think that people could control the weather. certainly not a colelge graduate. Certainly not someone with a graduate degree. Trayon White knew exactly what was behind his remark. And all this twisting around in the wind to excuse it, while ATTACKING Jewish people who are objecting to it, demonstrates the efforts to which some people will go to deny evidence of antisemitism - and lash out at those who call it like it is.

Ha. You give people too much credit.

Anonymous wrote:Donating money to Farrakhan, among other things, and refusing to acknowledge and condemn the man for his antisemetic beliefs speaks volumes.

I fully agree that both of those are very troubling and I hope he will suffer the legal consequences of the first. But, neither is an indication of him being "full of hate towards Jews". Indifference towards anti-Semitism, yes. But, not full of hate.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.

There is no evidence that White is "full of hate for Jews". That is shameful allegation to make against someone when there is no basis for it. You know nothing of his upbringing. You are spewing quite a bit of hate and ignorance yourself.

His actions speak for themselves.

Here are some of his actions:

1) welcome endorsement of Jews United for Justice when running for Council;
2) work closely with Jews United for Justice and other individual Jews while serving in the Council;
3) apologize repeatedly when told that his nutty conspiracy theory was anti-Semitic;
4) meet privately with Jewish colleagues and acquaintances to apologize and learn more about anti-Semetism;
5) meet with a Rabbi to learn more about anti-Semitism;
6) attend seder(s) (I'm not sure how many);
7) visit the Holocaust Museum;
8) express a desire and enthusiasm to continue working with Jewish groups and noting similarities in Jewish and African history.

Those are not the actions of someone who is full of hate towards Jews.

Donating money to Farrakhan, among other things, and refusing to acknowledge and condemn the man for his antisemetic beliefs speaks volumes.

Whatever volume it speaks , it isn't as loud as serving in administration of a man who called Nazi sympathizers 'fine people' while being Jewish . Kudlow? Mnuchin? Cohn? Buy you knew that , didn't you ?

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

I don't misunderstand anything. Hate speech is hate speech. Ignorance is not a justification for disseminating vile conspiracy theories, especially about an ethnic or racial group. And his behavior at the Holocaust Museum was worse than doubling down. He walked out on his tour guide after making attempts to justify Nazi barbarism. That's not "an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism."

Why are you defending him?

DP point to me the exact phrase where Mr White explicitly blames Jews for the climate manipulation .

The Rothschilds were a wealthy Jewish family from Germany. There has been an antisemetic conspiracy theory surrounding the Rothschilds which emanated, I believe from the Nazis since the 1930’s or thereabouts. It is an age old antisemetic trope to blame the Rothschilds for all the bad in the world or to say thaT they control things. Anyone who knows anything about antisemetism knows that invoking the Rothschilds name is the same as saying the Jews. This could probably be explained better, but I gave it a shot.

He could've said the same thing about the koch brothers and there would be No gesticulation from you , you're well within your right to draw or attempt to parallels between his blaming the Rothschild for climate manipulation and anti Semitism , but what you won't do is pretend that you have the monopoly of the truth and that there's no difference between someone explicitly saying stuff like Jews are responsible for climate manipulation or Jews will not replace us and someone blaming a bunch of wealthy who happen to be Jewish ( a fact that he may or may not have known ) for climate manipulation.

Jews are not above reproach and criticizing someone who also happens to be Jewish , or spreading conspiracy theories about someone who happens to be Jewish and anti Semitism isn't mutually exclusive . From the onset some of you decided that it was anti Semitism and were certainly not expecting to be met with vigorous counter arguments that although not necsssrily defending Mr White, sought to push back against this troubling mindset that if you Jews deem something anti Semite then it must be so . IT IS NOT

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.

There is no evidence that White is "full of hate for Jews". That is shameful allegation to make against someone when there is no basis for it. You know nothing of his upbringing. You are spewing quite a bit of hate and ignorance yourself.

His actions speak for themselves.

Here are some of his actions:

1) welcome endorsement of Jews United for Justice when running for Council;
2) work closely with Jews United for Justice and other individual Jews while serving in the Council;
3) apologize repeatedly when told that his nutty conspiracy theory was anti-Semitic;
4) meet privately with Jewish colleagues and acquaintances to apologize and learn more about anti-Semetism;
5) meet with a Rabbi to learn more about anti-Semitism;
6) attend seder(s) (I'm not sure how many);
7) visit the Holocaust Museum;
8) express a desire and enthusiasm to continue working with Jewish groups and noting similarities in Jewish and African history.

Those are not the actions of someone who is full of hate towards Jews.

Donating money to Farrakhan, among other things, and refusing to acknowledge and condemn the man for his antisemetic beliefs speaks volumes.

DP from the few posts above.....

And there is NO way that he didn't know Rothschilds was code for Jews. How do I know? Because the excuse being given is that someone so idiotic as to think thar human beings can bring about a snowstorm would be ignorant enough not to know code for Jew. (He probably heard it at one of his Farrakhan meetings, in context with anti-Jew venom.)

And that excuse doesn't hold water. NOBODY over the age of 6, and more likely 3, would think that people could control the weather. certainly not a colelge graduate. Certainly not someone with a graduate degree. Trayon White knew exactly what was behind his remark. And all this twisting around in the wind to excuse it, while ATTACKING Jewish people who are objecting to it, demonstrates the efforts to which some people will go to deny evidence of antisemitism - and lash out at those who call it like it is.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.

There is no evidence that White is "full of hate for Jews". That is shameful allegation to make against someone when there is no basis for it. You know nothing of his upbringing. You are spewing quite a bit of hate and ignorance yourself.

His actions speak for themselves.

Here are some of his actions:

1) welcome endorsement of Jews United for Justice when running for Council;
2) work closely with Jews United for Justice and other individual Jews while serving in the Council;
3) apologize repeatedly when told that his nutty conspiracy theory was anti-Semitic;
4) meet privately with Jewish colleagues and acquaintances to apologize and learn more about anti-Semetism;
5) meet with a Rabbi to learn more about anti-Semitism;
6) attend seder(s) (I'm not sure how many);
7) visit the Holocaust Museum;
8) express a desire and enthusiasm to continue working with Jewish groups and noting similarities in Jewish and African history.

Those are not the actions of someone who is full of hate towards Jews.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.

There is no evidence that White is "full of hate for Jews". That is shameful allegation to make against someone when there is no basis for it. You know nothing of his upbringing. You are spewing quite a bit of hate and ignorance yourself.

His actions speak for themselves.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

Jeff, no offense, but the Councilmember has an undergraduate and graduate degree from fine, accredited universities. He is not an uneducated rube. As such, I simply cannot believe that he doesn't know the nature of his comments.

Further, the fact that he is monetarily supporting Rev. Farrakhan speaks volumes.

Actions speak louder than words.

How did he graduate from "fine, accredited universities" without ever hearing about or learning about the Holocaust?

"White said in the video that he never learned about the Holocaust in school."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/under-fire-for-farrakhan-donation-dc-lawmaker-trayon-white-says-hes-not-backing-down/2018/04/21/ed31971c-457b-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.44f7e2497a43

The holocaust is not American history , not learning about it in school isn't a tragedy

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

I don't misunderstand anything. Hate speech is hate speech. Ignorance is not a justification for disseminating vile conspiracy theories, especially about an ethnic or racial group. And his behavior at the Holocaust Museum was worse than doubling down. He walked out on his tour guide after making attempts to justify Nazi barbarism. That's not "an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism."

Why are you defending him?

DP point to me the exact phrase where Mr White explicitly blames Jews for the climate manipulation .

The Rothschilds were a wealthy Jewish family from Germany. There has been an antisemetic conspiracy theory surrounding the Rothschilds which emanated, I believe from the Nazis since the 1930’s or thereabouts. It is an age old antisemetic trope to blame the Rothschilds for all the bad in the world or to say thaT they control things. Anyone who knows anything about antisemetism knows that invoking the Rothschilds name is the same as saying the Jews. This could probably be explained better, but I gave it a shot.

Anonymous wrote:And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.

There is no evidence that White is "full of hate for Jews". That is shameful allegation to make against someone when there is no basis for it. You know nothing of his upbringing. You are spewing quite a bit of hate and ignorance yourself.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

I don't misunderstand anything. Hate speech is hate speech. Ignorance is not a justification for disseminating vile conspiracy theories, especially about an ethnic or racial group. And his behavior at the Holocaust Museum was worse than doubling down. He walked out on his tour guide after making attempts to justify Nazi barbarism. That's not "an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism."

Why are you defending him?

And to make matters worse, he donated money to Louis Farrakhan a notorious anti-Semite. Trayon White is a victim of his upbringing. An upbringing rife with antisemitism. He is stupid, ignorant and full of hate for Jews. No amount of defending this vile and bigoted person will change that.