Anonymous wrote:You can't create an elite institution from thin air. You have to attract top caliber teachers and students. It doesn't just happen. GMU is pretty darn impressive if you bother to actually look at it. And it has taken decades to get there.

true, plus if it was populated by U.Va. rejects, as the pp proposed, that wouldn't be very "elite" now would it?

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve done that. It’s called George Mason.

GMU is not considered elite. We need another instate elite uni to serve the rejects from UVA. They’he worked hard and they need an affordable option that will provide them with the programs and caliber of training that they demand and that will impress future employers.

No, really. In Virginia it’s called W&M, VTech, JMU, GMU. And remember that exactly zero people feel sorry for the choices VA high schoolers have when it comes to in state college choices.

You can't create an elite institution from thin air. You have to attract top caliber teachers and students. It doesn't just happen. GMU is pretty darn impressive if you bother to actually look at it. And it has taken decades to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:Name the 5.

Woodrow Wilson graduated over 100 years ago. The last century has been dissapointing.

Actually, Wilson started at Davidson, but left because it was too hard - or so they say.

It's still too hard. U.Va. is much easier

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve done that. It’s called George Mason.

GMU is not considered elite. We need another instate elite uni to serve the rejects from UVA. They’he worked hard and they need an affordable option that will provide them with the programs and caliber of training that they demand and that will impress future employers.

Have you seen someone create an elite university overnight?

The nearest university would not be able to catch up to the more established ones k in terms of prestige very easily

Anonymous wrote:They’ve done that. It’s called George Mason.

GMU is not considered elite. We need another instate elite uni to serve the rejects from UVA. They’he worked hard and they need an affordable option that will provide them with the programs and caliber of training that they demand and that will impress future employers.

They’ve done that. It’s called George Mason.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

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I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. No easy answers.

[b]Actually, the answer is easy: create a new elite Public University that is more inclusive to its in state population and make UVA pay for the privilege of using its name and the Rotunda for marketing purposes.

Fantastic idea. I would welcome this, as I'm sure many others would.

Anonymous wrote:Name the 5.

Woodrow Wilson graduated over 100 years ago. The last century has been dissapointing.

Try again (from wiki and learn to spell:

Faculty

Kathryn C. Thornton, professor at the School of Engineering and Applied Science. Astronaut
Faculty were originally housed in the Academical Village among the students, serving as both instructors and advisors, continuing on to include the McCormick Road Old Dorms, though this has been phased out in favor of undergraduate student resident advisors (RAs). Several of the faculty, however, continue the university tradition of living on Grounds, either on the Lawn in the various Pavilions, or as fellows at one of three residential colleges (Brown College at Monroe Hill, Hereford College, and the International Residential College).

The university's faculty includes a National Humanities Medal and National Medal of Arts winner and former United States Poet Laureate, an awardee of the Order of Isabella the Catholic,[167] 25 Guggenheim fellows, 26 Fulbright fellows, six National Endowment for the Humanities fellows, two Presidential Young Investigator Award winners, three Sloan award winners, three Packard Foundation Award winners, and a winner of the 2005 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.[168] Physics professor James McCarthy was the lead academic liaison to the government in the establishment of SURANET, and the university has also participated in ARPANET, Abilene, Internet2, and Lambda Rail. On March 19, 1986, the university's domain name, VIRGINIA.EDU, became the first registration under the .EDU top-level domain originating from the Commonwealth of Virginia on what would become the World Wide Web.[169]


English professor Rita Dove has been honored as the United States Poet Laureate and awarded the National Humanities Medal and National Medal of Arts.
Larry Sabato has, according to The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, become the most-cited professor in the country by national and regional news organizations, both on the Internet and in print.[170] Civil rights activist Julian Bond, a professor in the Corcoran Department of History from 1990 to 2012, was the Chairman of the NAACP from 1998 to 2009 and was chosen to host the Nobel Laureates conference in 1998.

Alumni
As of December 2014, the University of Virginia has 221,000 living graduates.[9] According to a study by researchers at the Darden School and Stanford University, UVA alumni have founded over 65,000 companies which have employed 2.3 million people worldwide with annual global revenues of $1.6 trillion.[9] Extrapolated numbers show companies founded by UVA alumni have created 371,000 jobs in the state of Virginia alone.[9] The relatively small amount that the Commonwealth gives UVA for support was determined by the study to have a tremendous return on investment for the state.[9]


United States dollar coin[171] featuring Robert F. Kennedy, LAW 1951
Eight NASA astronauts and launch directors are UVA alumni: Karl Gordon Henize, Bill Nelson, Thomas Marshburn, Leland Melvin, Jeff Wisoff, Kathryn Thornton, Patrick Forrester; and Michael Leinbach.

The Pulitzer Prize has been awarded to eight UVA alumni: Edward P. Jones, Ron Suskind, Virginius Dabney, Claudia Emerson, Henry Taylor, Lane DeGregory, George Rodrigue, and Michael Vitez.

Fifty-three Rhodes Scholars have graduated from UVA.[172] This is the most from any state-supported university, the most from any public or private university in the American South, and the eighth-most overall, placing UVA between Brown University at 55, and the University of Chicago at 50)[173] UVA's alumni ranks also include others who have achieved widespread fame: computer science pioneer John Backus; polar explorer Richard Byrd; scientists Walter Reed, Stuart Schreiber, Daniel Barringer, Richard Lutz, and Francis Collins; artists Edgar Allan Poe and Georgia O'Keefe; musicians Stephen Malkmus and Boyd Tinsley; self-made billionaire Paul Tudor Jones; national news anchors Katie Couric and Brit Hume; actors Tina Fey and Ben McKenzie; Team USA Olympic team captains John Harkes, Dawn Staley, and Claudio Reyna; and NBA All-Star MVP Ralph Sampson.

Famous government leaders include NATO Secretary General Javier Solana; United States President and Nobel Laureate Woodrow Wilson; U.S. Speaker of the House Robert M. T. Hunter; widely known United States Senators Harry Byrd, Robert F. Kennedy, and Ted Kennedy; the first African American Chief Justice of the Virginia Supreme Court, Leroy Hassell; the United States Supreme Court Justices Howell Edmunds Jackson, James Clark McReynolds, and Stanley Forman Reed; and President of the Supreme Court of Israel Asher Grunis.

Fourteen Governors of Virginia are UVA alumni: Gerald Baliles, Jim Gilmore, Chuck Robb, George Allen, John Dalton, Albertis Harrison, James Almond, John Battle, Colgate Darden, Elbert Trinkle, Westmoreland Davis, Claude Swanson, Andrew Jackson Montague, and Frederick Holiday.

Fourteen Governors of other U.S. states and territories, as well: James Paul Clarke, William Meade Fishback, and Joseph Taylor Robinson (Arkansas), Janet Napolitano (Arizona), Lowell Weicker (Connecticut), Charles Terry (Delaware), Millard Caldwell (Florida), Evan Bayh (Indiana), Brereton Jones (Kentucky), Sam McEnery (Louisiana), William Preston Lane (Maryland), Mark Sanford (South Carolina), Henry Mathews (West Virginia), and Luis Fortuño (Puerto Rico).

Anonymous wrote:Why do all you idiots who didn't go to UVA or have kids that go to UVA obsess over the school and feel the need to waste your time coming here to trash it and give your uneducated, uninvested and ridiculously petty criticism of it constantly? It says more about what losers you are and how much time you waste sharing your self important babblings than anything the school does right or wrong. Grow up, get a life, and leave the UVA discussions to people who are actually interested in discussing the option of the school for their kids or their experiences there.

you get a +1000 from me.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

[b]These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. No easy answers.

Actually, the answer is easy: create a new elite Public University that is more inclusive to its in state population and make UVA pay for the privilege of using its name and the Rotunda for marketing purposes.

Anonymous wrote:Name the 5.

Woodrow Wilson graduated over 100 years ago. The last century has been dissapointing.

Actually, Wilson started at Davidson, but left because it was too hard - or so they say.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobel Prize winners totally teach undergrads, right?

I'm more interested in undergraduate teaching than how many brilliant, inaccessible people a school has on faculty.

I agree 1000%, which is why U.Va's ranking as a university (incl. law school, business school, endowment) doesn't matter that much --- how good is the undergraduate teaching. There it doesn't rank highly at all compared to the SLACs.

Wrong. Try again. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-receives-top-rankings-2018-princeton-review

Anonymous wrote:Why do all you idiots who didn't go to UVA or have kids that go to UVA obsess over the school and feel the need to waste your time coming here to trash it and give your uneducated, uninvested and ridiculously petty criticism of it constantly? It says more about what losers you are and how much time you waste sharing your self important babblings than anything the school does right or wrong. Grow up, get a life, and leave the UVA discussions to people who are actually interested in discussing the option of the school for their kids or their experiences there.

Did you tie your tie a little too tight at your football games? Brain damage may be possible

Why do all you idiots who didn't go to UVA or have kids that go to UVA obsess over the school and feel the need to waste your time coming here to trash it and give your uneducated, uninvested and ridiculously petty criticism of it constantly? It says more about what losers you are and how much time you waste sharing your self important babblings than anything the school does right or wrong. Grow up, get a life, and leave the UVA discussions to people who are actually interested in discussing the option of the school for their kids or their experiences there.