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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

maybe I am wrong, but my understanding was that Obamacare capped how much health care executives can made, while Trump and republicans wants to remove the cap

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

? You think ACA is the law that allowed insurance execs to make millions? It really wasn't ACA that allowed this. I'm all for curbing CEO pays. You think Trump will go for that?

You want something that is good for you but bad for the less fortunate. That's the flip side of your argument. I suppose your next argument would be "why should I have to pay for someone else"? Well, we all do that when we pay taxes. Plus, I guess I could say, "Why should I buy American made products just so that an American have a job"? See how that works?

Anonymous wrote:This hits middle income red states without Medicaid expansion the hardest and fastest. Aka-- Trump's base. And these are folks who are not going to learn until they duffer. I'm sorry for all the sad stories that are going to start coming out at the beginning of next year. But Trumpkins won't throw in the towel until they, personally suffer. So be it.

Were you sorry for the sad stories that came out when Obamacare hit, and middle-class people were saying they were forced to buy expensive and unaffordable plans that didn't pay out for anything?

This hits middle income red states without Medicaid expansion the hardest and fastest. Aka-- Trump's base. And these are folks who are not going to learn until they duffer. I'm sorry for all the sad stories that are going to start coming out at the beginning of next year. But Trumpkins won't throw in the towel until they, personally suffer. So be it.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

Yes, and that liberal upthread who is arguing that it's fine for OTHER people to have to skip vacations and drive a 17-year-old car in order for people with even less income to get absolutely free care would sing a different tune if he were lower-middle class, scrounging money all year for a one-week vacation, and hoping to replace an old car with none of the current safety features. (That's a risk I'm taking in order to provide free care for people poorer, right? I really need that cross-traffic alert, what with all these big vans in parking lots.) I've found that when I've asked liberals who answer me honestly whether they themselves would be willing to go without vacations, drive an older and less safe car, or have to pull they kids out of private schools in order to see that Medicaid is expanded for the working poor, they have told me....NO.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

PP with the anecdote about the neighbor was right. Lots of liberals do simply assume everyone paying more "can afford to pay."

well, they certainly won't be able to afford more when their taxes go up from Trump's tax plan, and god forbid they get some serious illness after Trump signs that EO.

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Anonymous wrote:The onion has a great piece on this:

http://www.theonion.com/article/exhausted-trump-supporter-just-decides-massive-cut-57198

In an effort to justify the recent set of executive orders the president signed earlier this week to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, exhausted Trump supporter Phil Holt reportedly just decided Friday that massive cuts to healthcare subsidies were the reason he voted as he did. “Ultimately increasing the cost of healthcare for me, my family members, and others like me is why I voted for Trump the first place,” said the completely drained Holt, 56, who reportedly has spent the last nine months since Trump took office rationalizing every step the White House has made as his motivation for casting his ballot for the president. “When I went to the polls, I based my vote solely on the hope that insurance would be allowed to skirt around Obamacare policies that protect the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against. Destabilizing the nation’s healthcare system is exactly what I wanted from Trump and exactly what I got. Yes, exactly

The Onion is showing that they live in a bit of a bubble with this one. A lot of people were in fact looking to destabilize the nation's health care system because the nation's health care system was really bad and getting worse each year. (The trendy word for this in Silicon Valley is "disruption.")

If people were happy with Obamacare, they sure didn't show it in November.

Because the Rs and Trump promised something better, but now they have shown that they can't deliver; and/or some people still think ACA and Obamacare are two different things.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

PP with the anecdote about the neighbor was right. Lots of liberals do simply assume everyone paying more "can afford to pay."