Anonymous wrote:Question from a European who watched high school soccer here. Is club and travel soccer much higher level than high school soccer? In general?

Anonymous wrote:. . . so ODP is going to survive because U13 ECNL players already spending $5K+ a year are going to spend another $2K to get to and possibly make the Region I team?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/

I think many elite players will at least dip their toes in ODP at U13. ECNL for the most part relegated it as pretty unnecessary and difficult to do for the "top" players on a ECNL squad. DA does not allow participation in outside soccer like ODP or HS so without hesitation those kids are absolutely not participating in ODP.

It stands to reason that ODP has taken a big talent hit but that doesn't mean there are not kids out there who are really good players who slip through the cracks for whatever reason. If you make a State ODP team you are a pretty good soccer player. If you make the Regional ODP team you most certainly are a really good soccer player.

U13 is probably the best age group to get a good idea of the players out there but certainly pool shrinks at U14 and older due to the above mentioned leagues. CCL clubs still really push ODP as a college pathway and that is true IF you make it to the Regional Pool.

Thanks. I agree that the toe dip, as you say, seems to have made sense for elite players in the U13 year in the past. Now that ECNL added the U13 age group last year, and now that the Girls DA is expanding in the DMV to add the U13 Pilot age group this Fall, do you think elite U13 players in the DMV are still going to bother going to ODP tryouts this summer to dip their toe in for a year of ODP just to see if they can make it to the Regional Pool? From the quality of the players that have made the past pool lists at least in VYSA, I agree that the district and state pools are not elite college pathways.

All of the Girls DAs are having ID sessions now for 2006s, so those girls will be committed to the U13 Pilot and ineligible for ODP by summer. The ECNL clubs with the added U13 ECNL age group will have their tryouts in early Spring for U13, so those girls that make the cut will be gearing up for that and probably not looking at a summer ODP tryout with the prospect of adding Fall ODP district training on top of what will be 4 days of Fall training a week with their ECNL teams.

So, who is left at U13 given the talent hit you cite? Won't ODP for the most part just be composed of the next tier of above average, rural, or possibly a few overlooked players who didn't make the ECNL/DA cut? Won't the U13 toe dip idea for elite players be a relic of the past in the DMV?

ODP is pay to play at every step of the way (every camp, friendly, international trip), and that would be an expensive cost to add onto pricey ECNL. And as you say, the DA girls can't even participate.

So, going forward, doesn't ODP fall even farther to the wayside in the DMV? Do it for extra training, or do it if your rural/CCL club has no other option, but otherwise it is one you can ignore for the most part for a player on the elite path . . . or so the thought goes.

Thanks for your perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/

I think many elite players will at least dip their toes in ODP at U13. ECNL for the most part relegated it as pretty unnecessary and difficult to do for the "top" players on a ECNL squad. DA does not allow participation in outside soccer like ODP or HS so without hesitation those kids are absolutely not participating in ODP.

It stands to reason that ODP has taken a big talent hit but that doesn't mean there are not kids out there who are really good players who slip through the cracks for whatever reason. If you make a State ODP team you are a pretty good soccer player. If you make the Regional ODP team you most certainly are a really good soccer player.

U13 is probably the best age group to get a good idea of the players out there but certainly pool shrinks at U14 and older due to the above mentioned leagues. CCL clubs still really push ODP as a college pathway and that is true IF you make it to the Regional Pool.

Thanks. I agree that the toe dip, as you say, seems to have made sense for elite players in the U13 year in the past. Now that ECNL added the U13 age group last year, and now that the Girls DA is expanding in the DMV to add the U13 Pilot age group this Fall, do you think elite U13 players in the DMV are still going to bother going to ODP tryouts this summer to dip their toe in for a year of ODP just to see if they can make it to the Regional Pool? From the quality of the players that have made the past pool lists at least in VYSA, I agree that the district and state pools are not elite college pathways.

All of the Girls DAs are having ID sessions now for 2006s, so those girls will be committed to the U13 Pilot and ineligible for ODP by summer. The ECNL clubs with the added U13 ECNL age group will have their tryouts in early Spring for U13, so those girls that make the cut will be gearing up for that and probably not looking at a summer ODP tryout with the prospect of adding Fall ODP district training on top of what will be 4 days of Fall training a week with their ECNL teams.

So, who is left at U13 given the talent hit you cite? Won't ODP for the most part just be composed of the next tier of above average, rural, or possibly a few overlooked players who didn't make the ECNL/DA cut? Won't the U13 toe dip idea for elite players be a relic of the past in the DMV?

ODP is pay to play at every step of the way (every camp, friendly, international trip), and that would be an expensive cost to add onto pricey ECNL. And as you say, the DA girls can't even participate.

So, going forward, doesn't ODP fall even farther to the wayside in the DMV? Do it for extra training, or do it if your rural/CCL club has no other option, but otherwise it is one you can ignore for the most part for a player on the elite path . . . or so the thought goes.

Thanks for your perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/

I think many elite players will at least dip their toes in ODP at U13. ECNL for the most part relegated it as pretty unnecessary and difficult to do for the "top" players on a ECNL squad. DA does not allow participation in outside soccer like ODP or HS so without hesitation those kids are absolutely not participating in ODP.

It stands to reason that ODP has taken a big talent hit but that doesn't mean there are not kids out there who are really good players who slip through the cracks for whatever reason. If you make a State ODP team you are a pretty good soccer player. If you make the Regional ODP team you most certainly are a really good soccer player.

U13 is probably the best age group to get a good idea of the players out there but certainly pool shrinks at U14 and older due to the above mentioned leagues. CCL clubs still really push ODP as a college pathway and that is true IF you make it to the Regional Pool.

Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/