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Anonymous wrote:Is that Antifa with the black and red?

Black bloc. Idiot Trump voters don't even know who the anarchists are.

Nope. We know who they are and we know they're leftists. You want us to claim the KKK, so it looks like you're stuck with Black bloc and antifa. Enjoy.

Totally false comparison, and a pathetic one at that. Your desperation is showing.

The KKK LOVES Trump and they have repeatedly said so, and they praised him for NOT denouncing them after Charlottesville. Trump refused to denounce them and several conservative hosts media hosts defended the march and even said Heather Heyer deserved to die. You ARE linked.

Antifa on the other hand has nothing to do with liberals. Antifa are anarchists, and they hate government. Liberals on the other hand love their big government. Antifa hates liberals. Antifa protested Clinton and Obama. Liberals universally and unequivocally condemned and denounced Antifa, by name. NO link.

Only a completely clueless and ignorant idiot who thinks "leftist" means "anyone who isn't right wing" would think so.

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Anonymous wrote:....and we are still waiting for the tape in which a conservative talk show host said that Heather Heyer deserved to die.

DP. It wasn't Sean Hannity who said it, but one of the guests on his show who criticized her for marching that day. He seems to imply that it was her own fault and she got what was coming to her for counter protesting alongside Antifa.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hannity-host-hether-heyer-antifa_us_59a8d292e4b0b5e530fd7fbf

Well, that's sure different than the poster who claimed Hannity (or some other conservative talk show host) said she deserved to die. And you thought that the guest "implied.....she got what was coming to her" is also a matter for interpretation. I hear it as the guest pointing out that she did participate in the violent Antifa march, and was not an innocent bystander. That's also different from saying she deserved it. But I agree it was pretty cold of the guest to say even that.

So, as I thought, the story was embellished. Nobody said she deserved to die, and certainly not a conservative newsperson. That said, I am very sorry this young woman lost her life.

Well, actually the guest is a conservative Youtue talk show host. Jonathan Gilliam at http://www.jonathantgilliam.com/the-experts.html. To me, and others, it sounds like he's saying she deserved to die, much like saying 'play with fire and you'll get burned.' And just because Antifa was marching at the same time she was, does not mean she was part of Antifa. Anyways, that's the one I know of, there are probably others. Lots of conservative 'leaders', like the rally organizer, the operator of Daily Stormer, and Richard Spencer were pretty disrespectful towards her death, and even happy about it. If that's how conservative leaders felt, then conservative talk show hosts probably felt the same way.

Anonymous wrote:Liberals have said that the conservatives on this forum keep saying (in exasperation) that they have had it with the abuse and are going to leave - yet here they are (back for more punishment). Why is that?

Because if we allow the name-calling, horrific and cruel accusations, and profanity-laced rants to drive us away, they will have succeeded with their tactics to silence us. It's like an oppressive government that punishes people with dissenting views to the point they "submit" or no longer express those views. We cannot teach these liberals that mocking us, cursing at us, telling us that wish we were dead, and calling us racists is an effective way to shut us up.

It reminds me of a class I took. It was immediately after the 2012 election, and the professor (they're always so liberal, aren't they?), opened the class expressing his relief that the country was "saved" from a Romney victory, and went on to make derogatory remarks about him and the people who voted for conservative policies. It went on for quite a few minutes, until I was totally disgusted and left the room. As I walked out, I heard one of the classmates say, "good riddance."

Liberals will continue this tactic of trying to exasperate us, ridicule us, curse us....whatever....in their attempts to silence us. We cannot allow them to succeed, or we will have no longer have a democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:....and we are still waiting for the tape in which a conservative talk show host said that Heather Heyer deserved to die.

DP. It wasn't Sean Hannity who said it, but one of the guests on his show who criticized her for marching that day. He seems to imply that it was her own fault and she got what was coming to her for counter protesting alongside Antifa.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hannity-host-hether-heyer-antifa_us_59a8d292e4b0b5e530fd7fbf

Well, that's sure different than the poster who claimed Hannity (or some other conservative talk show host) said she deserved to die. And you thought that the guest "implied.....she got what was coming to her" is also a matter for interpretation. I hear it as the guest pointing out that she did participate in the violent Antifa march, and was not an innocent bystander. That's also different from saying she deserved it. But I agree it was pretty cold of the guest to say even that.

So, as I thought, the story was embellished. Nobody said she deserved to die, and certainly not a conservative newsperson. That said, I am very sorry this young woman lost her life.

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Anonymous wrote:....and we are still waiting for the tape in which a conservative talk show host said that Heather Heyer deserved to die.

DP. It wasn't Sean Hannity who said it, but one of the guests on his show who criticized her for marching that day. He seems to imply that it was her own fault and she got what was coming to her for counter protesting alongside Antifa.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hannity-host-hether-heyer-antifa_us_59a8d292e4b0b5e530fd7fbf

Anonymous wrote:....and we are still waiting for the tape in which a conservative talk show host said that Heather Heyer deserved to die.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that Antifa with the black and red?

Black bloc. Idiot Trump voters don't even know who the anarchists are.

Nope. We know who they are and we know they're leftists. You want us to claim the KKK, so it looks like you're stuck with Black bloc and antifa. Enjoy.

Totally false comparison, and a pathetic one at that. Your desperation is showing.

The KKK LOVES Trump and they have repeatedly said so, and they praised him for NOT denouncing them after Charlottesville. Trump refused to denounce them and several conservative hosts media hosts defended the march and even said Heather Heyer deserved to die. You ARE linked.

Antifa on the other hand has nothing to do with liberals. Antifa are anarchists, and they hate government. Liberals on the other hand love their big government. Antifa hates liberals. Antifa protested Clinton and Obama. Liberals universally and unequivocally condemned and denounced Antifa, by name. NO link.

Only a completely clueless and ignorant idiot who thinks "leftist" means "anyone who isn't right wing" would think so.

Do you have a link to the video in which a conservative news host says Heather Heyer deserved to die? I'd like to know the exact words.

Yes, I'd like to see this too. We'll wait.

PP here. This isn't the first time a liberal on this forum has claimed conservative news hosts have said that woman deserved to die. (It could just be the same liberal, making the same incendiary claim.) But I've know liberals to re-create stories before, which is why I asked to see the tape. So....waiting....

LOL. You had a conservative flat out lie and sock puppet last week. You've lost all credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that Antifa with the black and red?

Black bloc. Idiot Trump voters don't even know who the anarchists are.

Nope. We know who they are and we know they're leftists. You want us to claim the KKK, so it looks like you're stuck with Black bloc and antifa. Enjoy.

Totally false comparison, and a pathetic one at that. Your desperation is showing.

The KKK LOVES Trump and they have repeatedly said so, and they praised him for NOT denouncing them after Charlottesville. Trump refused to denounce them and several conservative hosts media hosts defended the march and even said Heather Heyer deserved to die. You ARE linked.

Antifa on the other hand has nothing to do with liberals. Antifa are anarchists, and they hate government. Liberals on the other hand love their big government. Antifa hates liberals. Antifa protested Clinton and Obama. Liberals universally and unequivocally condemned and denounced Antifa, by name. NO link.

Only a completely clueless and ignorant idiot who thinks "leftist" means "anyone who isn't right wing" would think so.

Do you have a link to the video in which a conservative news host says Heather Heyer deserved to die? I'd like to know the exact words.

Yes, I'd like to see this too. We'll wait.

PP here. This isn't the first time a liberal on this forum has claimed conservative news hosts have said that woman deserved to die. (It could just be the same liberal, making the same incendiary claim.) But I've know liberals to re-create stories before, which is why I asked to see the tape. So....waiting....

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow Trump voters: everyday you guys check in on dcum and mix it up with the political opposition, both democrat and republican, despite being outnumbered about 5 to 1 on here and contending with a decidedly liberal moderator. Yet here you are, day in and day out, punching the clock, defending the President, extolling the virtues of law enforcement, free speech, and capitalism. You are the best! America is lucky to have you, and so is this political forum. To the liberal opposition--you are wrong. About everything. From taxes to immigration to law enforcement to free speech to climate change, I've never encountered a group of people like yourselves who, despite having all of the evidence in front of you, continue to make the wrong choices--both about what you believe and who you support.
Now, having cleared the air, can we all be Facebook friends again?

Your Orange Leader is decidedly opposed to free speech. I have not seen a single post by a Trumpskyite in favor of free speech. Your OL is constantly calling stories he doesn't like "fake" and he's constantly lying about pretty much everything. That's not free speech. That's promulgating lies, as many Trumpskyites do here, many of them paid, I'm certain of that. And many Russian, also.

It cracks me up when you guys rationalize that only paid posters and Russians could *possibly* be the conservative posters. It's clear you still think that's an exciting (and true) story line, but it only makes you look even more ridiculous and impossibly naïve.

Also, you must be new here. There have been post after post by conservatives and/or Trump voters (remember, they're not always one in the same) defending the right to free speech. It's unfortunate that we have to put up with Neo-Nazi and KKK trash spewing their hateful speech, but they're within their rights - as are counter protesters and anyone else, for that matter. If anything, it's you liberals who want to silence anyone who dares to disagree with you. Why is that?

NP... and I have to seriously disagree with your nonsense premise about how the left "silences" others.

We don't silence anyone.

You say "X"

We say "You're WRONG, it's Y and here's why...."

That isn't silencing you. Sorry but free speech is a two way street. You are free to exercise your right of free speech to say the things you say, even though what you say is typically misinformed, factless talking points full of rhetorical fallacies, and we are free to exercise our right of free speech to call you out for it. If you think free speech means you get to say whatever you like and spew "alternative facts" ala your hero Donald Trump and it will just go uncontested, then that's just plain wrong. That isn't how free speech works. We aren't silencing you at all. The only person here who has the power to delete posts is Jeff and he is his own person. More likely you're just mad that we keep debunking your bogus talking points and taking your credibility away. That isn't something you should be blaming us for, it's something you can only blame yourself for.

Hmm, no, that's not it. If anything, seeing the melodrama you liberals create in the face of common sense legislation is eye-opening, to say the least. You go right ahead thinking you've got all the answers and are right about everything. Rational, sane people who can think for themselves know you're all just spouting the usual nonsense.

Of course free speech is a two-way street; no one here has argued otherwise. The point many of us were trying to make is that there comes a time when you should simply STOP trying to argue with your opponents (KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc.) and just let them burn themselves out. Why do you continue feeding the beast, getting in their faces and arguing? No one is listening, least of all the Neo-Nazis.

And finally, liberals absolutely try and silence those who disagree with them. There really is no denying that fact. All one has to do is read through the threads on this forum to see example after example of liberals trying to end a discussion by screaming, "RACIST! NAZI! RUSSIAN! BOT!" That's a sure sign they have nothing intelligent to say and actually think that will shut up the person they're arguing with. It's really a pathetic tactic, but it's all yours. So own it.

Oh, please. Do you not realize that you are probably only talking about one or two over-the-top "RACIST! NAZI!" posters out of the hundreds of perfectly sane and rational liberal posters that visit this site?

Talk about MELODRAMA.

Seems to me you are deflecting, particularly given you never want to acknowledge or address any of the hundreds of legitimate posts that sane, rational Dem posters post here every single day without ever accusing anyone of being a racist or Nazi?

Of course I address those. I enjoy having (the very rare) intelligent debate with rational people. Unfortunately, those posters are completely dwarfed by the lunatic "NAZI and RACIST!" morons. There are not "one or two" of them. And you know it. The vast majority of liberal posts on this site are unhinged, profanity-laced, hate-filled rants. Who wants to engage with those lowlifes? Not me.

Yup. My problem is that I take the bait when the liberals attack with their insulting accusations in defense of Trump voters, and I'm trying to stop. But what seems to be happening is that almost all the exchanges consist of liberals going on the offensive with hate-filled profanity and rants, and the conservatives arguing back that it's not true. An actual debate with rationale liberals is becoming harder and harder to find.

Definitely. I just love the recent poster who tried to have the last word by calling us idiots. IDIOTS! So decisive! I guess s/he told us!

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Anonymous wrote:Is that Antifa with the black and red?

Black bloc. Idiot Trump voters don't even know who the anarchists are.

Nope. We know who they are and we know they're leftists. You want us to claim the KKK, so it looks like you're stuck with Black bloc and antifa. Enjoy.

Totally false comparison, and a pathetic one at that. Your desperation is showing.

The KKK LOVES Trump and they have repeatedly said so, and they praised him for NOT denouncing them after Charlottesville. Trump refused to denounce them and several conservative hosts media hosts defended the march and even said Heather Heyer deserved to die. You ARE linked.

Antifa on the other hand has nothing to do with liberals. Antifa are anarchists, and they hate government. Liberals on the other hand love their big government. Antifa hates liberals. Antifa protested Clinton and Obama. Liberals universally and unequivocally condemned and denounced Antifa, by name. NO link.

Only a completely clueless and ignorant idiot who thinks "leftist" means "anyone who isn't right wing" would think so.

Do you have a link to the video in which a conservative news host says Heather Heyer deserved to die? I'd like to know the exact words.

Yes, I'd like to see this too. We'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow Trump voters: everyday you guys check in on dcum and mix it up with the political opposition, both democrat and republican, despite being outnumbered about 5 to 1 on here and contending with a decidedly liberal moderator. Yet here you are, day in and day out, punching the clock, defending the President, extolling the virtues of law enforcement, free speech, and capitalism. You are the best! America is lucky to have you, and so is this political forum. To the liberal opposition--you are wrong. About everything. From taxes to immigration to law enforcement to free speech to climate change, I've never encountered a group of people like yourselves who, despite having all of the evidence in front of you, continue to make the wrong choices--both about what you believe and who you support.
Now, having cleared the air, can we all be Facebook friends again?

Your Orange Leader is decidedly opposed to free speech. I have not seen a single post by a Trumpskyite in favor of free speech. Your OL is constantly calling stories he doesn't like "fake" and he's constantly lying about pretty much everything. That's not free speech. That's promulgating lies, as many Trumpskyites do here, many of them paid, I'm certain of that. And many Russian, also.

It cracks me up when you guys rationalize that only paid posters and Russians could *possibly* be the conservative posters. It's clear you still think that's an exciting (and true) story line, but it only makes you look even more ridiculous and impossibly naïve.

Also, you must be new here. There have been post after post by conservatives and/or Trump voters (remember, they're not always one in the same) defending the right to free speech. It's unfortunate that we have to put up with Neo-Nazi and KKK trash spewing their hateful speech, but they're within their rights - as are counter protesters and anyone else, for that matter. If anything, it's you liberals who want to silence anyone who dares to disagree with you. Why is that?

NP... and I have to seriously disagree with your nonsense premise about how the left "silences" others.

We don't silence anyone.

You say "X"

We say "You're WRONG, it's Y and here's why...."

That isn't silencing you. Sorry but free speech is a two way street. You are free to exercise your right of free speech to say the things you say, even though what you say is typically misinformed, factless talking points full of rhetorical fallacies, and we are free to exercise our right of free speech to call you out for it. If you think free speech means you get to say whatever you like and spew "alternative facts" ala your hero Donald Trump and it will just go uncontested, then that's just plain wrong. That isn't how free speech works. We aren't silencing you at all. The only person here who has the power to delete posts is Jeff and he is his own person. More likely you're just mad that we keep debunking your bogus talking points and taking your credibility away. That isn't something you should be blaming us for, it's something you can only blame yourself for.

Hmm, no, that's not it. If anything, seeing the melodrama you liberals create in the face of common sense legislation is eye-opening, to say the least. You go right ahead thinking you've got all the answers and are right about everything. Rational, sane people who can think for themselves know you're all just spouting the usual nonsense.

Of course free speech is a two-way street; no one here has argued otherwise. The point many of us were trying to make is that there comes a time when you should simply STOP trying to argue with your opponents (KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc.) and just let them burn themselves out. Why do you continue feeding the beast, getting in their faces and arguing? No one is listening, least of all the Neo-Nazis.

And finally, liberals absolutely try and silence those who disagree with them. There really is no denying that fact. All one has to do is read through the threads on this forum to see example after example of liberals trying to end a discussion by screaming, "RACIST! NAZI! RUSSIAN! BOT!" That's a sure sign they have nothing intelligent to say and actually think that will shut up the person they're arguing with. It's really a pathetic tactic, but it's all yours. So own it.

Oh, please. Do you not realize that you are probably only talking about one or two over-the-top "RACIST! NAZI!" posters out of the hundreds of perfectly sane and rational liberal posters that visit this site?

Talk about MELODRAMA.

Seems to me you are deflecting, particularly given you never want to acknowledge or address any of the hundreds of legitimate posts that sane, rational Dem posters post here every single day without ever accusing anyone of being a racist or Nazi?

Of course I address those. I enjoy having (the very rare) intelligent debate with rational people. Unfortunately, those posters are completely dwarfed by the lunatic "NAZI and RACIST!" morons. There are not "one or two" of them. And you know it. The vast majority of liberal posts on this site are unhinged, profanity-laced, hate-filled rants. Who wants to engage with those lowlifes? Not me.

Yup. My problem is that I take the bait when the liberals attack with their insulting accusations in defense of Trump voters, and I'm trying to stop. But what seems to be happening is that almost all the exchanges consist of liberals going on the offensive with hate-filled profanity and rants, and the conservatives arguing back that it's not true. An actual debate with rationale liberals is becoming harder and harder to find.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that Antifa with the black and red?

Black bloc. Idiot Trump voters don't even know who the anarchists are.

Nope. We know who they are and we know they're leftists. You want us to claim the KKK, so it looks like you're stuck with Black bloc and antifa. Enjoy.

Totally false comparison, and a pathetic one at that. Your desperation is showing.

The KKK LOVES Trump and they have repeatedly said so, and they praised him for NOT denouncing them after Charlottesville. Trump refused to denounce them and several conservative hosts media hosts defended the march and even said Heather Heyer deserved to die. You ARE linked.

Antifa on the other hand has nothing to do with liberals. Antifa are anarchists, and they hate government. Liberals on the other hand love their big government. Antifa hates liberals. Antifa protested Clinton and Obama. Liberals universally and unequivocally condemned and denounced Antifa, by name. NO link.

Only a completely clueless and ignorant idiot who thinks "leftist" means "anyone who isn't right wing" would think so.

Do you have a link to the video in which a conservative news host says Heather Heyer deserved to die? I'd like to know the exact words.