Anonymous wrote:For everyone who regards Russia as "the enemy". Can I ask: who sets foreign policy in our democracy?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

Reagan was a drug dealer and he is a republican God. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who regards Russia as "the enemy". Can I ask: who sets foreign policy in our democracy?

In Trump's case, the enemy, if the enemy has acquired enough Kompromat

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

Anonymous wrote:For everyone who regards Russia as "the enemy". Can I ask: who sets foreign policy in our democracy?

Anonymous wrote:For everyone who regards Russia as "the enemy". Can I ask: who sets foreign policy in our democracy?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

Very different than actually having stuff on the president like "golden showers". Not even in the same ball park.

Agreed. Golden showers are much less worrisome than prolonging wars that kill Americans and even larger numbers of innocent Vietnamese.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

You're saying that Trump is powerful. In a week he will be a powerful political figure, but last year he was just another businessman. A TV star who played a businessman, technically.

Trump is not "working with" Russia. He is being worked by Russia.

Maybe. But I think it's even more likely you all are getting worked up by stuff that was designed to do just that.

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Anonymous wrote:Even Buzzfeed's editor has doubts..


This is a hit job...but 4Chan planted this info and said so themselves...and now we're here.

But there is a lot more than this. There is the Guardian report about the FBI FISA warrants on the Trump campaign. There is Trump's attitude toward Russia, which is otherwise unexplainable. There are reports that the IC briefed Trump on material the Russians have on him. Even if the 35-page report is not true and even if McCain had no part in it, there are lots of other details that are easily verifiable. A congressional investigation has to happen.

Let's see how Trump handles this at his presses tomorrow.

Where do you people get that its unexplainable? Russia has lots of oil, a pretty good military, it's culturally closer to the U.S. than many of our putative allies in the Middle East, and its been bombing ISIS and Al-Quaeda in Syria. I realize that isn't standard American elite fare, but it's not exactly 'unexplainable'.

We people get it from our Department of Defense and Intelligence Community.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/SASC_Unclassified_2016_ATA_SFR_FINAL.pdf

Take a look at pages 3,7,10 to get started. Russia is an enemy.

Russia is one of DoD's and the military industrial complex's favorite enemies much more than it is our nation's (as in our peoples') enemy. Why? Because making into an enemy is very good for bu$ine$$. Can you sell the public on the F-35 at a quarter billion a piece if you tell them it's to bomb Ahmed in a some desert in west Asia? No. But you can sell the public if you tell them Russia is coming for us.

If you people think Russia is so bad, by the same scale we should long ago have dropped the Saudis as allies. But our government doesn't. Do you get that the interests of insiders are not the same as yours?

I have friends who are Russian who have immigrated here. They are nice people. Their former government is not.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

You're saying that Trump is powerful. In a week he will be a powerful political figure, but last year he was just another businessman. A TV star who played a businessman, technically.

Trump is not "working with" Russia. He is being worked by Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:Even Buzzfeed's editor has doubts..


This is a hit job...but 4Chan planted this info and said so themselves...and now we're here.

But there is a lot more than this. There is the Guardian report about the FBI FISA warrants on the Trump campaign. There is Trump's attitude toward Russia, which is otherwise unexplainable. There are reports that the IC briefed Trump on material the Russians have on him. Even if the 35-page report is not true and even if McCain had no part in it, there are lots of other details that are easily verifiable. A congressional investigation has to happen.

Let's see how Trump handles this at his presses tomorrow.

Where do you people get that its unexplainable? Russia has lots of oil, a pretty good military, it's culturally closer to the U.S. than many of our putative allies in the Middle East, and its been bombing ISIS and Al-Quaeda in Syria. I realize that isn't standard American elite fare, but it's not exactly 'unexplainable'.

We people get it from our Department of Defense and Intelligence Community.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/SASC_Unclassified_2016_ATA_SFR_FINAL.pdf

Take a look at pages 3,7,10 to get started. Russia is an enemy.

Russia is one of DoD's and the military industrial complex's favorite enemies much more than it is our nation's (as in our peoples') enemy. Why? Because making into an enemy is very good for bu$ine$$. Can you sell the public on the F-35 at a quarter billion a piece if you tell them it's to bomb Ahmed in a some desert in west Asia? No. But you can sell the public if you tell them Russia is coming for us.

If you people think Russia is so bad, by the same scale we should long ago have dropped the Saudis as allies. But our government doesn't. Do you get that the interests of insiders are not the same as yours?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 issues here. First, there is an allegation that Russia has some potentially embarrassing info on Trump. Certain Russians claim to have such info. This should not be surprising, given the Soviet/Russian history. Second, and more importantly, Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries apparently had contact with each other. Why? If true, and I suspect our intelligence agencies have info on these contacts, then Trump better explain it. The more interesting question is whether the 2 issues are tied: whether the info in (1) was used in the (2) communications. Frankly, this is extremely serious and perhaps even more serious. As the facts are revealed, I suggest we may be talking impeachment. Treason.

Where would y'all rank Trump-Russia contact against Nixon-Vietnam contact or Reagan-Iran contact?

I get the feeling many of you are waking up from your long slumber where you weren't able to notice how the world actually works.

You're so sophisticated. Sorry, I don't want a president who is blackmailed by another country.

I seem more sophisticated that you do. I'm totally with you on your wants. But the world is very nasty and power tends to go to the very nastiest.

Now tell me, what did you think about Nixon's working with the Vietnamese or Reagan's working with the Iranians?

Very different than actually having stuff on the president like "golden showers". Not even in the same ball park.