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Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

If you run for President, I will vote for you.

+1.

I wasn't in college that long ago and I've seen this kind of crap conduct first hand. If only these types could be booted more easily.

Not to derail this thread too much but a girl down the hall from me at my "prestigious" slac had serious mental issues and started cutting herself. Her roommate went through hell between having to avoid their dorm room and all the followup meetings with residential staff and the hall RA about "mediation" procedures. Seriously?! This poor girl should have been forced to take medical leave and the other roommate should have been offered a single ASAP. No one should be forced to sleep and do homework in a tiny cinderblock room with someone in the fetal position teetering on the verge of suicide. Instead, reslife staff stalled until the parents called a Dean and read them the riot act about having to pay room and board to deal with this shit and their daughter being told to be more "sensitive" and patient about resolving the matter.

We also knew a girl who had to have her stomach pumped TEN times due to alcohol poisoning and drug issues. Somehow the school missed these red flags and she went on to vandalize the apartment of a friend whom she later falsely accused of rape.

From my experience, colleges can be incredibly tone deaf and flat out stupid about resolving campus safety and quality of life issues in a rational manner. And some students have no business being in college. Instead we defer to "all children can learn". Except they're not children: they're rational adults who need to be help accountable for their speech and physical conduct.

I doubt Yale girl be suspended. Because of her race. Even if she was asked to leave, even temporarily, then she'd go full martyr, demand more attention, and get a book deal out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

If you run for President, I will vote for you.

I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

More accurately, a place for creating/edleadership dyna

More accurately a place for creating and educating leadership dynasties (Bushes and Clintons if you include grad school). The exception is Gerald R Ford, an accidental president (and underrated one IMO).

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

More accurately, a place for creating/edleadership dyna

I chuckle a bit at all this. Was on campus in 71 (or was it 72) when Nixon bombed Cambodia. Some students called for a student strike and there was more than just a tad of turmoil that spring. Now we have this major brouhaha over the uni not being a “safe place” from offensive halloween costumes .
(And BTW, there was no allegation anyone actually wore an offensive costume, just a theoretic discussion about whether it was appropriate for the Univ. to tell students what to wear.).

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

The bolded takes nothing from your opinion but this expression is so played out. I think I've seen it a thousand times on this and other DCUM threads. Whether it's true or not, there must be another cliche out there to affirm your thoughts. Not the end of the world and, yes, there are people starving in Africa but geez!

For some it will be the end of the world. Should a president or professor be forced to resign or a student asked to withdraw because of a minor thought crime or petty alleged offense? Cause that's what these protestors want. There's no crime too small to be punished by the PC thought police and it all ties into their narrative of perpetual oppression, walking into all social situations with a victim mentality, and making everyone else responsible for their feelings. Very un-adult and unAmerican IMO.

So yeah, I'd say this expression, cliche or not, sums it up well.

I bet you'd fit right in at Yale!

+1.

Yale is still a great university of course, but its days of nurturing the true leaders of tomorrow may be over. Witness what happened with the Catholic Church, a great institution that lost its way when it became too self-centered.

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

The bolded takes nothing from your opinion but this expression is so played out. I think I've seen it a thousand times on this and other DCUM threads. Whether it's true or not, there must be another cliche out there to affirm your thoughts. Not the end of the world and, yes, there are people starving in Africa but geez!

For some it will be the end of the world. Should a president or professor be forced to resign or a student asked to withdraw because of a minor thought crime or petty alleged offense? Cause that's what these protestors want. There's no crime too small to be punished by the PC thought police and it all ties into their narrative of perpetual oppression, walking into all social situations with a victim mentality, and making everyone else responsible for their feelings. Very un-adult and unAmerican IMO.

So yeah, I'd say this expression, cliche or not, sums it up well.

I bet you'd fit right in at Yale!

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, Yale is not a PC joke. However, what will make them a PC joke in my opinion is if the administration caves in to demands for extensions of due dates for papers and exams due to the turmoil fused by this incident. If they say no extensions, they will likely be accused of racial insensitivity at least - but they should hold firm. No extensions.

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+100. Did you have this incident in mind? "Columbia law students demand exam extensions because of “trauma related to the recent non-indictments” (in Ferguson and Staten Island)" speaks for itself but here's a link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/08/columbia-law-students-demand-exam-extensions-because-of-trauma-related-to-the-recent-non-indictments-in-ferguson-and-staten-island/

I'm 29 and so disappointed by the resilience of my generation. It's hard to set the bar lower than this. I pray this doesn't become the norm in schools and workplaces.

Anonymous wrote:At this point, Yale is not a PC joke. However, what will make them a PC joke in my opinion is if the administration caves in to demands for extensions of due dates for papers and exams due to the turmoil fused by this incident. If they say no extensions, they will likely be accused of racial insensitivity at least - but they should hold firm. No extensions.

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At this point, Yale is not a PC joke. However, what will make them a PC joke in my opinion is if the administration caves in to demands for extensions of due dates for papers and exams due to the turmoil fused by this incident. If they say no extensions, they will likely be accused of racial insensitivity at least - but they should hold firm. No extensions.

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

The bolded takes nothing from your opinion but this expression is so played out. I think I've seen it a thousand times on this and other DCUM threads. Whether it's true or not, there must be another cliche out there to affirm your thoughts. Not the end of the world and, yes, there are people starving in Africa but geez!

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.

Brown is known as perhaps being the most liberal and crunchy of the Ivies. Not as intensely pre-professional or buttoned up/a training ground for bankers and lawyers. And Dartmouth the most socially conservative (yet moderate by general standards).

I've always seen Yale as a place for grooming leaders--look at all the Presidents and top officials who went there. However, it seems like a small percentage of deranged inmates have cut the grownups down at their knees and now run the asylum.

It's sad how it always takes a crisis to get Americans to care about their constitutional rights. School shootings trigger reflection on the meaning 2nd Amendment; and grotesque mob scenes and faux outrage over a misguided social justice meta narrative are what it takes to get people caring about the importance of free speech for ALL.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a commentator on gawker who claimed to be a female minority student at Yale, who said the costume thing was the tipping point on top of a huge pile of other injustices and ineffective responses from yale's administration. She made it sound like there's a lot of frat boy culture there... Which should come as a shock to no one who has ever been inside of an investment bank.

While I sympathize with her grievances, my own attempts to discuss this with people from her generation have all been met with them calling me a racist white person. Who watches fox. All of this because I said the letter about owning responsibility for a Halloween costume was not a bad thing.

It is very, very hard to argue with hysterics on any side of an argument... But my takeaway here is complete disgust with the state of academia. It's not just Yale... My alma mater is full of hysteria about Halloween costumes and racial stereotypes right now too. And since they only have about a 7 per cent minority population... It's mostly a bunch of white rich kids falling all over themselves to apologize for being oppressors.

Oh, the injustice of having to endure four years of higher education at one of the most selective (and the best, or at least I used to think) universities in the country! Oh, the humanity! I wonder if she's getting pretty much a free ride, to boot.

I wonder whether you would've wondered that, had she been white.

(Different PP here) I'm guessing probably not, and it makes perfect sense. Why?

Because our crazy affirmative action policies discriminate against even "at-risk" whites (say, born in a trailer to a meth mom) in order to give space to wealthy, entitled blacks (say, son of a millionaire executive).

So, if someone behaves like trash, and is black, chances are a free ride explains it. If someone behaves like trash, and is white, it's due to other reasons.

"So, if someone behaves like trash, and is black, chances are a free ride explains it. If someone behaves like trash, and is white, it's due to other reasons." = white privilege

"Because our crazy affirmative action policies discriminate against even "at-risk" whites (say, born in a trailer to a meth mom)" = some "white privilege" !

So, to paraphrase a PP, are you working on your master's in Applied Grievance Studies at Mizzou or at Yale?

I believe the studies you're referring to are called American Privilege Studies these days.

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Anonymous wrote:It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown.

Yes, I agree. It that Yale fast on its way of becoming Brown indeed.

I don't understand the dynamics of these universities enough to understand your point.