Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:56
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
To be fair, once someone brings up a possibly inaccurate broad generalization about residency cheaters being black and being owed the education for having their last couple generations of relatives unfairly treated, it's not really fair to scream racism once the next speaker makes another possibly inaccurate broad generalization about residency cheaters being black and being middle-class because their last couple generations of relatives obtained unfair advantages through local government corruption. But what do I know. I wouldn't have entered that kind of debate myself even if I had statistics, stories, reference literature, rubber gloves and goggles. Way too messy and easily out of line.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:56
Subject: Re:residency cheater
The assumptions you make about my gender, marital status and employement say more about you than about me.
Oh. You mean I should not make up things about you, a hypothetical person on the internet?
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:53
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:And then there are those of us who think, like voter fraud, it's not that widespread and doesn't really matter. This is about kids. All kids. You entirely miss my point as well. You think the think tank your husband works for is a model of efficiency? You think your job as a marketing manager for an educational consulting business with a government contract is vital? You think both of you aren't also wading into the public trough?
The assumptions you make about my gender, marital status and employement say more about you than about me.
The difference between residency cheating and voter fraud are that anti voter fraud efforts have been shown to have a racial minority and low income disenfranchisement effect, and republican strategists have occasionally let their guard down and all but admitted that this is the intent. Whereas anti residency fraud efforts do not deny minority or low income kids an education. As discussed, the parents who cheat are not low income. FARM paperwork is much more demanding than residency verification paperwork (income tax returns etc), so you can bet that the cheaters are not FARM qualifying. Rather, they are middle class people stealing spots from DC FARM kids, if they cheat their way into waitlist schools. And to the extent they are racial minorities, again, they have school options where they live. So I think this is a case of misplaced liberal values. I share your values but think that you are incorrectly applying them to residency fraud.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:44
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an issue not just in JKLMM but in other public schools and charters. When my kids were at John Eaton, there were a ton of kids there who lived in Prince George's. Heck, even the principal at the time, "Dr." Willie McElroy, resided in MD and yet his son was at Eaton . Talk about a signal that residency fraud was no problem. At the time, Eaton had no tuition paying students. The principal was later forced out.
What did this bro in wasn't his residency cheating with his son. It was when he allowed some feral cat society to neuter stray cats in the Eaton lunch room one weekend. It was the ensuing cat fight that ended his career as a principal.
I think that says something about DCPS that they were more concerned about someone frankly doing a public service rather than his residency cheating. Granted it was a little gross.
At least fresh meat was available in the lunchroom. That would have been something in DCPS at the time.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:44
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Right... you're just a concerned DC citizen who has lived here for three or four years, after growing up in Vienna with a family who worked for a defense contractor.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:39
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:I'm just vastly amused that in a place like DC, where so many of your jobs are completely dependant upon the public teat in one form or another, there are crazy racists who like to post about black people and their government jobs being like welfare.
I mean, I have to be amused, because otherwise I'd cry.
How is it racist to be outraged at DC government workers who use their connections and knowledge of how to work the system to get their kids into DCPS and charter schools, despite no DC residency? Bureaucrats who use their positions to exploit the system to get perks in an unfair manner is characteristic of the endemic corruption in Communist and Third World societies. Doesnt the public have a right to expect that DC government workers are to be worthy of trust and confidence? And who loses out? Certainly the DC taxpayers and all DC students whose schools this year are facing steep budget cuts while money has been spent educating kids who don't live in Washington. And the biggest losers of all are poor DC kids whose families don't have connections and don't cheat and who are shut out of better schools because some scammers took their places.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:38
Subject: Re:residency cheater
And then there are those of us who think, like voter fraud, it's not that widespread and doesn't really matter. This is about kids. All kids. You entirely miss my point as well. You think the think tank your husband works for is a model of efficiency? You think your job as a marketing manager for an educational consulting business with a government contract is vital? You think both of you aren't also wading into the public trough?
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:30
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:I'm just vastly amused that in a place like DC, where so many of your jobs are completely dependant upon the public teat in one form or another, there are crazy racists who like to post about black people and their government jobs being like welfare.
I mean, I have to be amused, because otherwise I'd cry.
I think you are taking it a little far, and attacking a straw man at this point. There are many people in DC govt who merit their positions and are providing valuable services, competently and honestly. And then there are the others who don't meet that standard. It is widely acknowldged that previous admins, particularly Barry, did use the govt as a form of employment program for unqualified people, what you call welfare. And, there was quite a lot of corruption, some of which continues. We are still dealing with the negative consequences. This is widely documented, including in traditionally liberal and sympathetic publications such as the Washington Post. But if you prefer to race-bait and ignore facts, I can't stop you.
Back to the topic at hand, there are those who think that residency cheating is wrong. There are others who apparently see it as a kind of distributive justice, or even reparations as one poster put it. This line of thinking seems to me to be underpinned by the same philosophy that motivated Barry's employment efforts. It is just as flawed now as it was back then.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 09:06
Subject: Re:residency cheater
I'm just vastly amused that in a place like DC, where so many of your jobs are completely dependant upon the public teat in one form or another, there are crazy racists who like to post about black people and their government jobs being like welfare.
I mean, I have to be amused, because otherwise I'd cry.
I mean, I have to be amused, because otherwise I'd cry.
Anonymous
03/31/2015 00:01
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an issue not just in JKLMM but in other public schools and charters. When my kids were at John Eaton, there were a ton of kids there who lived in Prince George's. Heck, even the principal at the time, "Dr." Willie McElroy, resided in MD and yet his son was at Eaton . Talk about a signal that residency fraud was no problem. At the time, Eaton had no tuition paying students. The principal was later forced out.
What did this bro in wasn't his residency cheating with his son. It was when he allowed some feral cat society to neuter stray cats in the Eaton lunch room one weekend. It was the ensuing cat fight that ended his career as a principal.
I think that says something about DCPS that they were more concerned about someone frankly doing a public service rather than his residency cheating. Granted it was a little gross.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 23:05
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:This is an issue not just in JKLMM but in other public schools and charters. When my kids were at John Eaton, there were a ton of kids there who lived in Prince George's. Heck, even the principal at the time, "Dr." Willie McElroy, resided in MD and yet his son was at Eaton . Talk about a signal that residency fraud was no problem. At the time, Eaton had no tuition paying students. The principal was later forced out.
What did this bro in wasn't his residency cheating with his son. It was when he allowed some feral cat society to neuter stray cats in the Eaton lunch room one weekend. It was the ensuing cat fight that ended his career as a principal.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 21:03
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
Why is this a racist comment? Trying to understand . . .
Oh really. Trying to understand what? Why everyone doesn't believe that residence cheaters are often black people who got rich through government corruption?
I can see how you could interpret it badly and I apologize for not being more clear. The point is not that black people are more corrupt than white, or that successful black people in DC are corrupt, or anything like this. The point was that residency cheaters are dishonest people, and most likely middle class people, of whatever race. They are not innocent poor people deserving of "reparations". They are not Jean Valjean. That was all.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 18:16
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
Why is this a racist comment? Trying to understand . . .
Oh really. Trying to understand what? Why everyone doesn't believe that residence cheaters are often black people who got rich through government corruption?
Anonymous
03/30/2015 17:40
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
Why is this a racist comment? Trying to understand . . .
Rules are rules. Fraud is fraud.
Simple.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 17:19
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
Why is this a racist comment? Trying to understand . . .