So much circular reasoning in that article I don't know where to begin

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Anonymous wrote:Here's something I saw on slate today -

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.html

This is a great article! And so true. You can see how the thin people are so obsessed with being thin, and shaming those who aren't.

Yep. It seems that my goal of staying overweight/lightly obese as opposed to FAT is not a bad goal after all. Well good.

As PP said, when the famine comes, I'm fucked. I generally try to avoid saying too much of anything to my wife about weight or diet or exercise. She's intensely focused on all of those things, and listening to her is about the best I can do. But, when I do say something, it's occasionally to make a crack about how her body is very efficient and that, when society breaks down, she's going to have a leg up on me. It's even more rare for me to offer any suggestions, but one of the rare ones I do make is to try lifting heavy. After running a marathon last year, I think she's about maxed out on cardio.

I'm sorry guys. The biochemical reactions that keep you alive require a certain amount of energy to make them occur. Studies of large cohorts of adults show that that amount of energy is north of 1500 kcal for individuals weighing more than 60 or so kg. you cannot maintain a body weight of 70kg on 1200 kcal per day. You will wind up burning all of your adipose tissue as well as muscle.

Anonymous wrote:Here's something I saw on slate today -

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.html

This is a great article! And so true. You can see how the thin people are so obsessed with being thin, and shaming those who aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Well, since the basal metabolic rate for a 70 kg man (around 154 lbs and what used to be "standard" for a 5'10" adult male) is a bit over 1500 kcal per day, a 1200 kcal diet is pretty close to a starvation diet. A small framed woman might be able to live on that amount long term, but an average man will eventually look like a skeleton, and the woman, assuming she does no activities at all, will be around 110 lbs when she reaches steady state

I would be willing to do this diet under the observation of researchers and I can about bet you that I would never get anywhere near 110 pounds. The little to no activity part I can't promise either as even when I don't go to the gym I walk the dog, do errands, clean the house, do yard work, etc.

Lucky you! If you ever get sent to a NOrth Korean work camp you will be the only human ever to remain fat whole imprisoned.

Huh? I didn't say I would not lose weight I just said that I would not get down to 110 or even 120 or even 130 (see a trend?) on that diet. I would actually love the opportunity to do something like this in an official sort of way....I have Irish heritage so I'm sure that I have ancestors that survived the famine. I've got some very thrifty genes.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Well, since the basal metabolic rate for a 70 kg man (around 154 lbs and what used to be "standard" for a 5'10" adult male) is a bit over 1500 kcal per day, a 1200 kcal diet is pretty close to a starvation diet. A small framed woman might be able to live on that amount long term, but an average man will eventually look like a skeleton, and the woman, assuming she does no activities at all, will be around 110 lbs when she reaches steady state

I would be willing to do this diet under the observation of researchers and I can about bet you that I would never get anywhere near 110 pounds. The little to no activity part I can't promise either as even when I don't go to the gym I walk the dog, do errands, clean the house, do yard work, etc.

Lucky you! If you ever get sent to a NOrth Korean work camp you will be the only human ever to remain fat whole imprisoned.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Well, since the basal metabolic rate for a 70 kg man (around 154 lbs and what used to be "standard" for a 5'10" adult male) is a bit over 1500 kcal per day, a 1200 kcal diet is pretty close to a starvation diet. A small framed woman might be able to live on that amount long term, but an average man will eventually look like a skeleton, and the woman, assuming she does no activities at all, will be around 110 lbs when she reaches steady state

I was on a 1200cal diet and still 160. I had to eat MORE and exercise more to lose weight. "Starving" yourself only results in your body conserving energy and driving metabolism down. Now I calorie cycle and have no problem maintaining a size 4 From my prior size 16 6 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Well, since the basal metabolic rate for a 70 kg man (around 154 lbs and what used to be "standard" for a 5'10" adult male) is a bit over 1500 kcal per day, a 1200 kcal diet is pretty close to a starvation diet. A small framed woman might be able to live on that amount long term, but an average man will eventually look like a skeleton, and the woman, assuming she does no activities at all, will be around 110 lbs when she reaches steady state

I would be willing to do this diet under the observation of researchers and I can about bet you that I would never get anywhere near 110 pounds. The little to no activity part I can't promise either as even when I don't go to the gym I walk the dog, do errands, clean the house, do yard work, etc.

Here's something I saw on slate today -

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.html

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Well, since the basal metabolic rate for a 70 kg man (around 154 lbs and what used to be "standard" for a 5'10" adult male) is a bit over 1500 kcal per day, a 1200 kcal diet is pretty close to a starvation diet. A small framed woman might be able to live on that amount long term, but an average man will eventually look like a skeleton, and the woman, assuming she does no activities at all, will be around 110 lbs when she reaches steady state

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

Day 1
Breakfast
• 3/4 cup bran flakes, 1 banana, 1 cup fat-free milk

Lunch
• Sandwich: 1 mini whole wheat pita, 3 ounces turkey breast, 1/2 roasted pepper, 1 teaspoon light mayonnaise, mustard, lettuce
• 1 stick part-skim mozzarella string cheese
• 2 kiwifruits

Dinner
• 4 ounces broiled flounder or sole
• 2 sliced plum tomatoes sprinkled with 2 tablespoons grated Parmesan cheese, broiled until just golden
• 1 cup cooked couscous
• 1 cup steamed broccoli
• 1 fat-free pudding cup

So, here's a day on the diet. Could I do it for a few days, yes. Do I want to make it my life, no thanks.

I'd rather weigh 30 more pounds. At 55, it's just not worth it to me. My blood pressure is great, I'm never sick, I don't hurt (I do yoga), my cholesterol is good.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

If you think that's a near starvation diet I got news for you.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/diet-nutrition/advice/a20559/lose-weight-meals-oct04/

Here is a link to a 1200 cal daily menu planner. Take a look at how little food there is. Most of the dinner portions of protein are 3-4 ounces, there is very little in the way of fats (fats have about 1/3 more calories per gram than carbs and protein). If you eat anything other than what is on that menu, unless it is celery, you are going over.

For the people hung up on metabolism: People with a high resting metabolic rate will have relatively higher muscle mass compared to someone with a low RMR. So, they will burn more calories with less exercise. In addition, some people are very inefficient at storing energy. A person with a lot of lean mass (muscle) who genetically (or due to gut flora -- that is a new one for me-- very interesting) is very inefficient at converting food calories to fat will be thin even if they eat like shit. If this is you, thank your luck stars (unless a famine hits, then you are fucked). We ALL know someone like this, but it is not the rule but rather the exception.

If this is not you, you literally must count calories. I absolutely do not believe there is an adult who is not bedridden who can go on a 1200 kcal diet and maintain weight. That is close to a starvation diet, and a person claiming to adhere to that intake who is not losing weight is either consciously cheating and lying to their SO, or they just don't know how to keep accurate tally on their intake.

1800 kcal per day is very hard to maintain, but will result in weight loss in 95% or more of people who adhere to it.

Add 30 min HIIT to that diet, and you will lose 0.5 to 1 lb per week minimum. How long you can stick to it and what you do when your reach your goal weight will vary by individual.


PS OP's husband is still a dick for messing up her vacation