Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:15
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
Did this woman actually see a penis? Or did she just see a very masculine looking woman?
No she saw a woman who was broad shouldered and tall walk in and retrieve her purse from a locker.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:15
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
I wonder if the same posters who are uncomfortable are the same ones who don't let their 10 Year old go into the locker room alone for fear of molestation.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:14
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
You'd be comfortable sending your teenaged daughter into a changing room with grown men? How is that not what we're talking about? Some people are uncomfortable with people who appear to be male changing in the women's locker room. Many posters have said that it shouldn't matter because no one should be looking. If that's the case, why separate us at all? No one should be looking, and we should all be totally cool with penises in the women's locker room.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:13
Subject: Re:Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
How many of you read the article posted in the OP? They interviewed a prominent member of the transgender community, who thought that complainer's issues are valid and advocated for separate changing rooms. I personally think that family changing/restrooms should be a requirement for the majority of public facilities.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:11
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:
Then let's just do away with gendered locker rooms altogether, since you all are so evolved that it doesn't matter. Would that be okay with you? If not, why?
But nobody is saying that there shouldn't be gendered locker rooms. In fact, people are saying that it's fine for Planet Fitness to have locker rooms separated by gender -- gender, not sex, not genitals, not chromosomes.
(A gym that asked for my karyotype before allowing me to use a locker room is a gym that I would not join.)
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:10
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
You still haven't clarified what "for obvious reason" that is, about penises or otherwise, that should not be in the same locker room as a vagina.
I've encountered some really obnoxious women that like to look, size up, and compare other women's bodies in the locker room. It's gross. I've never looked at their genitals, but they look like women. That kind of shit bothers me far more than someone who keeps their eyes to themselves, but may have a penis.
Then let's just do away with gendered locker rooms altogether, since you all are so evolved that it doesn't matter. Would that be okay with you? If not, why?
I'd have no problem with that, personally. However, that's not what we're talking about here, so I don't think that any of the PPs need to defend a system that no one is actually proposing or implementing, nor does it have anything to do with the system that we're discussing.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:08
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
You still haven't clarified what "for obvious reason" that is, about penises or otherwise, that should not be in the same locker room as a vagina.
I've encountered some really obnoxious women that like to look, size up, and compare other women's bodies in the locker room. It's gross. I've never looked at their genitals, but they look like women. That kind of shit bothers me far more than someone who keeps their eyes to themselves, but may have a penis.
Then let's just do away with gendered locker rooms altogether, since you all are so evolved that it doesn't matter. Would that be okay with you? If not, why?
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:05
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
You still haven't clarified what "for obvious reason" that is, about penises or otherwise, that should not be in the same locker room as a vagina.
I've encountered some really obnoxious women that like to look, size up, and compare other women's bodies in the locker room. It's gross. I've never looked at their genitals, but they look like women. That kind of shit bothers me far more than someone who keeps their eyes to themselves, but may have a penis.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:04
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
Did this woman actually see a penis? Or did she just see a very masculine looking woman?
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:03
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
What is it about someone with a penis that makes you uncomfortable? Is it the idea that they may be ogling you? If so, do you feel that way about gay men? Lesbians?
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:01
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
If you feel that way, there are plenty of other gyms that support your position and you are welcome to use any of them. The Planet Fitness policy is as stated. So, if you are not comfortable with it, pick another gym to exercise in.
I will be, obviously.
So there are a host of other gyms that provide support for people of your viewpoint, and there is ONE gym that provides for the comfort and security of the transgender community (and others who are judged or made uncomfortable by standard gyms) and you want them to change their policies so that there are NO publically available gyms that provide them a comfortable location to exercise?
Stop your kvetching about PF, pick another gym and let the transgender, their supporters and those who don't care use this gym.
I never said anything about changing their policy. They can do what they like, I just disagree with it. Surely you can understand that.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 16:00
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously thinking of joining Planet Fitness on the strength of this. It's nice to see a company that walks the walk!
+1. It really sounds as if the lady was completely disruptive and I applaud Planet Fitness for this move.
I totally agree. We all know a busybody that just LOVES to talk and gossip about others, under the guise of "concern." I would love a gym that has a policy against these types.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:59
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
If a woman sees someone with a penis in the ladies lockeroom, she should have a right to complain. If she is able to see someone's penis, they obviously are doing a good job of being discrete. It isnt a matter at staring at genitals, its about being reasonably shocked and uncomfortable if you notice the wrong one. I don't know that you're trans upon sight of your penis, and it would make me uncomfortable.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:58
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
If you feel that way, there are plenty of other gyms that support your position and you are welcome to use any of them. The Planet Fitness policy is as stated. So, if you are not comfortable with it, pick another gym to exercise in.
I will be, obviously.
So there are a host of other gyms that provide support for people of your viewpoint, and there is ONE gym that provides for the comfort and security of the transgender community (and others who are judged or made uncomfortable by standard gyms) and you want them to change their policies so that there are NO publically available gyms that provide them a comfortable location to exercise?
Stop your kvetching about PF, pick another gym and let the transgender, their supporters and those who don't care use this gym.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:58
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Seriously thinking of joining Planet Fitness on the strength of this. It's nice to see a company that walks the walk!
+1. It really sounds as if the lady was completely disruptive and I applaud Planet Fitness for this move.