Anonymous wrote:Not everyone is cut out to raise a SN child and some SN children are higher needs than others. Every pregnancy carries a risk to the mother's life. It has to be the individual mother's decision whether she wants to risk her life for THIS pregnancy, knowing that it has a potential outcome. Late term abortions are always difficult for parents. Some of those mothers very much wanted their pregnancies and wanted a healthy child. Instead, they got horrible outcomes that will be terminal for the child. There is not point in taking the risk of carrying those children to term because labor and delivery is dangerous. If you feel all teary about the risks and rewards of having a SN child, good for you. You can make your own decision. Other women have the right to do the same.


BTW, abortion doesn't kill a child. It kills a fetus. It's not a child until it draws breath on its own.

This.

Not everyone is cut out to raise a SN child and some SN children are higher needs than others. Every pregnancy carries a risk to the mother's life. It has to be the individual mother's decision whether she wants to risk her life for THIS pregnancy, knowing that it has a potential outcome. Late term abortions are always difficult for parents. Some of those mothers very much wanted their pregnancies and wanted a healthy child. Instead, they got horrible outcomes that will be terminal for the child. There is not point in taking the risk of carrying those children to term because labor and delivery is dangerous. If you feel all teary about the risks and rewards of having a SN child, good for you. You can make your own decision. Other women have the right to do the same.



BTW, abortion doesn't kill a child. It kills a fetus. It's not a child until it draws breath on its own.

Anonymous wrote:I forgot to add unless you can pay for it. If one can't afford to pay for breeding then don't do it That goes for neuro typical and non neural typical kids the same.

How much should your HHI be to cover all the bases? It's easy to say, 'don't have 'em if you can't afford 'em' but since you never know what kind of kid you're going to get, how much should we pull down before we can procreate? If you're going to spout this crap, you need to have a figure.

I forgot to add unless you can pay for it. If one can't afford to pay for breeding then don't do it That goes for neuro typical and non neural typical kids the same.

Yep. Like that

Survival of the fittest...

I have no offspring either because I CHOSE to not have kids I couldn't afford. I'd rather be single with a job and a boat

I have no offspring and couldn't be happier about it

Fact is bad genes shouldn't breed. Incidence of schizophrenia, bi-polar, hemophilia, autism, and a myriad of genetic disorders ad nauseam in families should quit breeding unless they can finance the care of those they breed. I have no kids because ALS and Parkinson's disease is in my family. I can't take care of my offspring with confidence. I shouldn't expect the rest of the country to care about it either.

I don't think anyone has sugar coated it.

Raising a child with DS can't be that* rewarding..... I have a friend who does have a child with dS (potty trained at age of 11, very poor speech, social skills, etc - despite therapies). She had another NT child and when she got pregnant again with another chi,d with DS she aborted it. If it was that much rewarding like everyone keep saying, she would want double the reward, no? You people try to sugarcoat things....

Yup

Really, we're going with the Hitler argument now? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should just go ahead and make sure our society practices Eugenics. That way none of the less desirable will be born or allowed to reproduce. You all do know who thought that was a good idea, don't you?

Yeah, that's right..........................

You are way off base here. This is inappropriate.

Actually, it's not off base at all. If we, as a society, decide that obviously disabled children not be born then we are practicing Eugenics even if we fail to acknowledge it. I am not talking about those who have conditions that are incompatible with life. I am talking about children with Down Syndrome, deformed limbs, missing limbs and other detectable non typical development.
If we decrease the numbers of children with mental delays and children who are deformed then we give these children, and adults,a stigma.

The only way to avoid a stigma is to address these differences head on and not hide them from the rest of the world. I have known, and do know, children and adults that are disabled and live good lives. My BFF works for ARC and she loves the people she works with. She has become close friends with one woman and takes her out for dinner, picnics, and concerts. She enjoys the time she spends with this woman. My friend gains so much from working with these disabled adults. In the ten years she has worked there my friend has become more compassionate and empathetic. She has a much better understanding of the world and the importance of the people in it.

I should also, for the sake of it, mention that I am not against abortion and I understand the difficulties of having a disabled child and the work involved (I have 2). I just think that we don't know what we are capable of until we enter the situation. We talk ourselves out of it and we are sure we can't handle it. The decision isn't an easy one but many times I think the people that terminate because their child will be disabled are overwhelmed by what their life would be like. But they really don't know what it's like or what that person would be like if he or she would be born.

As far as Hitler goes, he wanted a master race. That involved killing the disabled and made it illegal for fit the ideal women to have an abortion. I don't see much difference when it comes to aborting a pregnancy that isn't ideal. Again, for LIVID's sake, I will say that this doesn't include a fetus that has a condition that isn't compatible with life.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are so stupid, why do I keep reading them. I guess I enjoy telling some people to f*ck off. Like you, stupid Holland lady. It's just none of your business how many abortions I have. Unless you want me to skype you in. Brace yourself, the last one took three days. Cavalier is not how I would describe it.

Good luck with YOUR pregnancy sweetie. Sure hope the folic acid absorbtion thing isn't hereditary.

sick

this poster is obviously bitter and twisted, but it's true. They induce labor with cytotec and it takes forever and is extremely awful.